The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

Originally posted by Eminence
I want compliance with international law from everybody, first and foremost us; for a nation of "good standing" we've sure done a lot more to render the UN useless and impotent than anybody else. I understand that a lot of people feel we're justified in doing whatever we want to maintain the "security" won through American hegemony, but the naked hypocrisy on display concerning the courses of action taken by anybody else bugs me.

I think the UN was rendered impotent the minute it was represented by totalitarian regimes, I don't know where you get the idea that the US did anything to it. While I would ALSO like everyone to follow international law, that HARDLY happens and there must be leaders and countries that have to take a stand when something like that happens. I definitely don't support the US in every endeavor, nor feel justified, but when we're made to look like cowards, it's not a good sign of things to come.

Jesus, why do I even bother trying to argue with you?

Could you answer my question, please?

Originally posted by Tzeentch
What do you mean when you say "go on the offensive"? What would that entail?

Originally posted by psmith81992
Because when it comes to politics, law, etc, anything not comic book related, you're as impotent as the UN.

oh man check out these burns

where do you even get burns this sick its unreal

Mirroring Tzeentch's question, what do you even mean by saying the US should break international law? Are you really thick enough to suggest invading Russia/Ukraine?

Originally posted by Nephthys
oh man check out these burns

where do you even get burns this sick its unreal

Mirroring Tzeentch's question, what do you even mean by saying the US should break international law? Are you really thick enough to suggest invading Russia/Ukraine?

Nope, but it always humors me when the other side gets so defensive, they come up with outlandish arguments for me. Again, cute. No, I believe in sanctions, severe sanctions that would hurt Russia economically. Invading Russia on their own terms is pretty dumb.

You mean like if I randomly accused someone of opposing capital punishment? That would be stu- outlandish.

Are sanctions even against international law?

Jesus, Neph, you really suck at this.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Jesus, Neph, you really suck at this.

Now sure he knows how to make accurate comparisons.

I rarely pay attention to this stuff. Isn't Obama already threatening sanctions?

Why are you even in this conversation if you have no idea what's going on?

I know whats going on. I meant that I rarely pay attention to international matters. This is like the first time in years I've been interested in that stuff.

Originally posted by psmith81992
Nope, but it always humors me when the other side gets so defensive, they come up with outlandish arguments for me. Again, cute. No, I believe in sanctions, severe sanctions that would hurt Russia economically. Invading Russia on their own terms is pretty dumb.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Sanctions is what happened. What would you have preferred happen differently than what did?

More significant sanctions, publicly putting Putin on the spot, etc. Putin laughed at the current sanctions.

Originally posted by psmith81992
I think the UN was rendered impotent the minute it was represented by totalitarian regimes, I don't know where you get the idea that the US did anything to it.

Russia's been ousted from the G8, UN's ramping up sanctions. Steps in the right direction?

Also Putin will laugh at anything. He brought his black lab to his first meeting with Merkel, who's been afraid of dogs since she was a kid and everyone knows it.

Originally posted by psmith81992
More significant sanctions, publicly putting Putin on the spot, etc. Putin laughed at the current sanctions.

And could you be more specific? The sanctions thus far have hit the ruble fairly hard, and the country is heading toward recession. What more would you have done?

Look at his face.

Originally posted by Eminence
Our most recent Bush spent about eight years publicly raping it

and pretty much since WWII we've been propping up a shitty government of our own every couple of years across the planet

generally acting with impunity in pursuit of our own interests to the detriment of every civilian population whose land we touch and - as we've spent all of the 21st century and the latter three or four decades of the 20th proving - to ourselves

You don't by any chance go to a straight up liberal arts college in the Northeast or in California? I ask because I've heard this exact same line of reasoning that basically amounts to "we are bad everyone else is better than us".

We've set a uniquely terrible example, and for anyone who isn't a direct participant in the (apparently) necessary political posturing required to save face on the world stage I find it silly to portray stuff like Russia's movements as some sort of unprecedented eeeevil that we must quash with all the bear-wrestling ruthlessness of Putin himself.

Russia's been ousted from the G8, UN's ramping up sanctions. Steps in the right direction?

Originally posted by Eminence
Look at his face.

Also, please point out to me people that we "touched", that were or are significantly better without the influence of the US. And PLEASE don't go back in time and scream "the Indians!"

The English.

We would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you meddling kids. All declaring independence and shit. Grr.

I'm still trying to figure out what exactly a boycott of sochi summit is going to accomplish.. Or banning from G8. Any ideas? Also LL in terms of recession, I can't really argue with the logic but I don't see a recession coming to that country anytime soon, what with the biggest natural gas reserves on the planet.