Originally posted by psmith81992
That's a good argument. Kudos. What about a system working for 10 million people versus 300 million?
Depends on the variables. Simply saying "it will be insufficient to sustain a larger population" ignores any special fitting it will need to simply fit into a different society. It will not be the -exact- same system, but all the same it should eventually exist. About 51% of bankruptcies in 2007 were for medical bills. You can't tell me that's a successful system on any meaningful level.
Stealth Moose
That's a bad analogy though. Both Switzerland and Israel have compulsory military training which teaches citizens how to responsibly use weapons, discipline, and when it's okay to use lethal force. The Swiss are even allowed to take their service weapons home with them, IIRC.Compared to America, where any Tom, Dick and Harry can acquire a gun and shoot it liberally at whoever is on their property because Castle Doctrine. I'm actually quite fine with gun ownership and use; what I don't advocate is weak gun control laws, poor training, and piss-poor legislation which can cost a kid his entire life over being in the wrong place at the wrong time. There was a black girl in Michigan, tiny as all hell who was shot in the face by a shotgun by some old white dude who thought she 'posed a threat'. ****ing ridiculous.
"My right to have firearms is more important than the right for people to live, guys! S3c0nd amendzmunt, d00d!11!"
Or the gun laws in America NEED alterations/change/COMPLETE revamping. When we look at England, Japan, and other countries, these are places where they have strict regulations regarding firearms.
Japan has roughly thirteen deaths a year and England is a little under twenty, when it comes to their respective firearm-related death rates.
Do you want America's firearm-related death rate? Take Japan's number and multiply it by one thousand. That's not an exaggeration.
Everyone is discussing Switzerland but there's truckloads of variables as to why their system operates smoothly, including culture.
America needs to adopt a system where it makes firearm production limited and licensing more strict and monitored. It could even make firearm ownership illegal, like Japan does, and still allow limited, exclusive licenses for endeavors such as target practice or sport shooting.
Also, fuck the second amendment and the constitution. These were guidelines created for an America that is two hundred years gone and to protect against tyrannical governments when the government was the size of a small suburb. It's outdated and should be reformed.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Its true that we have far less gun crime in England. But thats only because we just use knives instead. Because we're just more civilised than you yanks.
I understand that you're joking in this instance but some people have even proposed that we seriously ban knives because, "Well, they can kill people too! Ban cars! They can kill people too! Ban water! People can drown."
Okay, here's the thing, though. With guns? These are tools that were specifically created to eliminate life. Knives are generally used for cooking, camping, or other things. Cars are used to drive. Water? Well, that shit is used for everything.
When you use your car, even on purpose, to run someone over? It's a misuse of the vehicle. Shooting someone with a gun and killing them? Ding ding ding, correct usage of that tool.
Firearms obviously aren't just dangerous because of their created purpose but it's a strong reason for them to be regulated with a lot more control, particularly in the United States.
Oh, and shortly after the Sandy Hook shooting? A Chinese nutjob went into a school with a knife and attacked a bunch of children.
Sandy Hook shooting:
Injuries: 2
Deaths: 28
Chinese guy who stabbed children:
Injuries: 22
Deaths: 0
Guns are deadly, peeps.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Its true that we have far less gun crime in England. But thats only because we just use knives instead. Because we're just more civilised than you yanks.Also guns are too quick and clean. With knives, you get to savor all the little emotions.
Pretty much this. I've had to deal with people with knives and so have a couple of my friends.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Its true that we have far less gun crime in England. But thats only because we just use knives instead. Because we're just more civilised than you yanks.Also guns are too quick and clean. With knives, you get to savor all the little emotions.
I see your knife-wielding Brit and raise you a Philopino Eskrima fighter.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Depends on the variables. Simply saying "it will be insufficient to sustain a larger population" ignores any special fitting it will need to simply fit into a different society. It will not be the -exact- same system, but all the same it should eventually exist. About 51% of bankruptcies in 2007 were for medical bills. You can't tell me that's a successful system on any meaningful level.
No, I cannot. I'll need to get a breakdown of occupations and net worth in the nordic countries to account for a lack of "melting pot" but it strikes me as impossible to create even a similar system here.
Also, LOL@guns are deadly. And lol@distinction between what was created specifically for destruction. Anything can be made deadly. That's the argument. Trying to rationalize by saying "well knives weren't created for death" is asinine.
Originally posted by psmith81992
No, I cannot. I'll need to get a breakdown of occupations and net worth in the nordic countries to account for a lack of "melting pot" but it strikes me as impossible to create even a similar system here.Also, LOL@guns are deadly. And lol@distinction between what was created specifically for destruction. Anything can be made deadly. That's the argument. Trying to rationalize by saying "well knives weren't created for death" is asinine.
So if I make a knife.. I know it can be used to cut things, and also stab people.
But I make a gun, knowing it's to shoot things. That's the purpose of a gun. It can't butter toast. It can't slice a pizza.
Originally posted by UltimateAnomaly
So if I make a knife.. I know it can be used to cut things, and also stab people.But I make a gun, knowing it's to shoot things. That's the purpose of a gun. It can't butter toast. It can't slice a pizza.
I bet I know at least one guy who can make a gun butter toast or slice a pizza.
Anyways I agree with everything Janus said about better gun control and necessary training just to obtain a gun. Simply saying "LOL moar regulation" is pointless.
But can he tell why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch?
Originally posted by psmith81992
Anyways I agree with everything Janus said about better gun control and necessary training just to obtain a gun.
Yeah, I don't understand how even the most hardcore gun nuts could argue that the States don't need better gun control and stricter restrictions.
You know, other than "FREEEEEDOOOOOOOOOM!"