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o the first part, ya they should acknowledge it. At least to themselves if no1 else. What's the alternative? Denying it? That's just delusional.

As to the second part I don't feel people r justified in demanding the acknowledgement or expecting them to apologize for their good fortune. But I understand their want for said acknowledgement.and I don't see asking for it as being out of line.

I'm privileged to the point where I was able to take my time to do what I needed to do, THEN I staked my own claim. I grew up with the American Dream so I firmly believe in that. I've also seen too many lazy deadbeats (some of my cousins) and also rich, privileged Jews that didn't earn anything (almost all the American Jews I know). So I've seen it all. But because I was surrounded by the American Dream, I believe in it.

DS
I'm still not fully agreeing to your percentages

edit: I think.

DS
but yes, agreeing with the overall message here.

DS
Deeply examining one's background isn't synonymous with "check your privilege". One does not demand someone to check their privilege [b]on the basis of said privilege. That's unjustified animosity. It appears that it's "cool" to hate on the privileged for the sole reason of being privileged.[/B]

cuz he's now gotten to share with the entire world that he does harbor sentiments indicative of ignorance concerning lots of matters where an objective appraisal of one's own biases (socioeconomic, genealogical, whatever) is required for fair and well-informed discourse. That's a lot of them.

So I don't really find it hard to believe that people like this kid saying stuff like "you're poor because your parents didn't work hard enough" would rub people the wrong way and lead them - in the pursuit of fair, well-informed discourse - to tell our hypothetical dude that he should "check his privilege." Being told to confront the fact that you're privileged has apparently come across as offensive, but so do comments and criticisms made about me or my family that pretend your privilege doesn't exist at all. nomsayin'?

But I will scour the internet to figure out where it first came up, because I sort of doubt it picked up steam as a way of targeting rich whites. Sounds more like something LGBTQ allies might say. We shall see.

Originally posted by psmith81992
The question isn't whether they should acknowledge it to themselves(which should be obvious) but if they should acknowledge it publicly. Without a justified reason, I don't think they should.

It's out of line if the sole reason for the demand is "well you're more privileged than me". That's not good enough.

I'm privileged to the point where I was able to take my time to do what I needed to do, THEN I staked my own claim. I grew up with the American Dream so I firmly believe in that. I've also seen too many lazy deadbeats (some of my cousins) and also rich, privileged Jews that didn't earn anything (almost all the American Jews I know). So I've seen it all. But because I was surrounded by the American Dream, I believe in it.

Out of curiosity do u know who was telling him to check his privilege in that article?

Looks like it first popped up on feminist blogs a few years ago.

edit: But obviously the concept of recognizing privilege as a facet of the social justice movement is a little bit older.

'm not sure how you're interpreting them. I'm just adopting the "one percent vs ninety nine percent" terminology to illustrate the fact that I hear plenty of relatively wealthy people ($150k+ combined income) making certain complaints about wealthier people (i.e. "the rich" should be willing to pay higher taxes) that they'd be dumbfounded to hear levied against them by less wealthy folks (~$30k). I dunno if those percentiles are dead on, but it should be a decent enough approximation to get the point across: your average guy is going to be way more aware of and interested in acquiring what the above average guy has than what he has that the below average guy doesn't, except when it comes to literal dick measuring, where you just laugh awkwardly and make fun of the schmuck.

edit: I think.

I suppose I can't comment with certainty here because I don't know the particular context(s) in which Fortgang was told ("repeatedly"😉 to "check his privilege," and because it sounds like an obnoxious thing to say to somebody anyway especially when your intent is to get them to open their eyes a little. But I think it's interesting that your default assumption is that this guy was out of the blue greeted with a hostile demand to acknowledge his privilege instead of considering the (imo) more likely scenario that he'd been expressing sentiments that his peers found indicative of ignorance on the subject derived from a lack of awareness of said privilege.

So I don't really find it hard to believe that people like this kid saying stuff like "you're poor because your parents didn't work hard enough" would rub people the wrong way and lead them - in the pursuit of fair, well-informed discourse - to tell our hypothetical dude that he should "check his privilege." Being told to confront the fact that you're privileged has apparently come across as offensive, but so do comments and criticisms made about me or my family that pretend your privilege doesn't exist at all. nomsayin'?

But I will scour the internet to figure out where it first came up, because I sort of doubt it picked up steam as a way of targeting rich whites. Sounds more like something LGBTQ allies might say. We shall see.

http://www.mises.org/daily/6747/Gun-Control-in-Nazi-Germany

For Janus, and the "ban guns!" crowd.

Are you arguing against banning guns and..

Using Nazi Germany to help?

Originally posted by UltimateAnomaly
Are you arguing against banning guns and..

Using Nazi Germany to help?

Nope, just giving an interesting perspective. I just read it today and bought the book.

Originally posted by psmith81992
http://www.mises.org/daily/6747/Gun-Control-in-Nazi-Germany

For Janus, and the "ban guns!" crowd.

That is an atrocious slippery slope. Also, I'm not for banning guns. I'm for responsible usage and ownership, along with tighter background checks.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
That is an atrocious slippery slope. Also, I'm not for banning guns. I'm for responsible usage and ownership, along with tighter background checks.

It is not atrocious. I also wasn't sure if you were for banning guns entirely that's why I said Janus AND gun banning crowd.

Shit yeah

Check out my thread in the Lit forum.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I'm for responsible usage and ownership, along with tighter background checks.

👆

psmith81992
Again, I'd be on your side completely if there was evidence of arrogance or stupidity. Simply being ignorant of your privilege by whining after the fact doesn't make the demand any more legitimate.

I can't in good conscience keep calling him a pretentious whiner though, because it seems like he just doesn't know any better. Here's hoping we see a response or retraction of some sort in the near future.

DS
The interesting part was where that woman took what he said and called him whiney and said something about white racism or some other liberal bs.

Originally posted by psmith81992
It is not atrocious. I also wasn't sure if you were for banning guns entirely that's why I said Janus [b]AND gun banning crowd. [/B]

Any time you take a slippery slope and break Godwin's law while making a book about Obama, it's atrocious. This book is a testament to right wing tribal mentality.

Stealth Moose
Any time you take a slippery slope and break Godwin's law while making a book about Obama, it's atrocious.

Like I said, I'm proposing that the kid's established arrogance and stupidity (evidenced in the article) probably tells us something about the odds of him bringing the rebuke/request down upon himself.

I can't in good conscience keep calling him a pretentious whiner though, because it seems like he just doesn't know any better. Here's hoping we see a response or retraction of some sort in the near future.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/12/12/ethan_couch_affluenza_texas_teen_spared_prison_time_in_deadly_drunk_driving.html

All of this nerve-touching has rubbed Salon's Kate McDonough the wrong way. She calls Fortgang's piece "a ridiculous baby tantrum".

"Nothing in the essay is a new or shocking expression of white privilege or the astounding sense of entitlement and self-regard shared by white racists," she writes.

That, Faunus.

This book is a testament to right wing tribal mentality.

I hear sometimes it's familial.

EDIT: Lol, y u so mad, bro?

If a liberal compared say, the homeland security acts of Dubya to be reminiscent of Nazi policies, I'm pretty sure you'd take exception. But somehow Obama is taking our guns away with his Nazi like powers.

Shit, Michael Sam still hasn't been picked in the draft. I can imagine all the Monday headlines screaming that the NFL is homophobic and that's why he wasn't picked, not because he lacked talent.

DS
Again, it's possible, and I would be inclined to agree with you if that is indeed the case.

DS
That, Faunus.

DS
Well, in that regard he's a ****ing idiot. There was a teenager in texas who drunk drove and killed 3 people, then claimed he had affluenza and the judge (definitely paid off because in Texas you go to prison for this shit) totally bought it. I would have killed that bastard kid myself. Seriously, affluenza?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/12/12/ethan_couch_affluenza_texas_teen_spared_prison_time_in_deadly_drunk_driving.html

[list]Students of history as well as Second Amendment enthusiasts will find this a fascinating book and will find parallels between gun prohibition in pre-Nazi and Nazi Germany, and attempts to prohibit types of gun ownership and implement other forms of gun prohibition in the United States today. The current climate in the United States surrounding gun prohibition combined with a president who uses his office to impose executive order in ways not historically common gives many citizens pause, especially when looking at the era of the Third Reich. While certain states have imposed gun registration laws recently, enforcement of the laws remains unclear.

While Halbrook is careful to point out that a combination of factors led to the events of the Holocaust, there is no denying that many of the pre-war activities contributed to Hitler’s ability to disarm targeted groups, particularly the Jews. The rapid pace with which Hitler disarmed the populace in Germany is startling. Halbrook’s account is gripping, though, and full of legal documentation, leading the reader through the sometimes-daily changes in gun prohibitions that furthered Hitler’s agenda. Ultimately, the prohibitions enacted by the Nazi regime led to monopoly control of firearms by the Nazis and eliminated the ability of many groups in society to defend themselves. A similar progression in contemporary society related to government control of firearms and the firearms industry is a concern of many gun owners in the United States today.[/list]

I'm curious then why the url you provided makes such comparisons at least twice then. Because if this is reflected in the book at all, powerderp.