The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

Started by Lord Lucien3,287 pages

ON it? Silly Jim, that would ruin it.

Originally posted by PTforthewin
Yeah I'm definitely 12, look at your profile picture, that says enough about you, an anime loving little 14 year old virgin.
So why do you hate your parents? Considering how you turned out, can you really blame them for getting addicted to meth and leaving in the middle of the night, never to return?

Illegal drugs get a bad rap.

Probably because they're awful and illegal for a reason.

Hardly. As long as you stay away from the truly awful ones (heroin, crack, meth etc.), approach potent psychedelics with caution and use everything else responsibly, they're mostly fine.

Edit - It also depends on the kind of person you are as well though, if you get addicted to things extremely easily, it's probably best to stay away from all of them. Similarly, if you're the kind of person with a lot of inner demons, or if you're prone to acting a little crazy, it's probably again be wise to stay away.

You shouldn't do drugs at all.

We are taught this for a reason, the only drugs that we should use are the prescription drugs.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Probably because they're awful and illegal for a reason.
Like alcohol?

Did you know that alcohol, cigarettes and asprin kill more people by a vastly higher margin than marijuana?

I only drank once in my entire life, and it wasn't heavy and I never had a hangover.

Did you know that prescription drugs are responsible for 60% of drug overdose-related deaths in the US?

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Like alcohol?

Did you know that alcohol, cigarettes and asprin kill more people by a vastly higher margin than marijuana?

Yes, which is why I don't smoke or drink.

Fair enough Neph but there are such things as acceptable risks.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, which is why I don't smoke or drink.
Do you want those to be illegal?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, which is why I don't smoke or drink.
Right, but that's not what you said. What you said was "they're illegal for a reason".

A silly sentiment, considering the most dangerous drugs available are completely legal.

If you don't want to do drugs because it's a life-style decision, that's perfectly acceptable, and it's the type of decision we all have to make. But don't be under any illusions that your stance is on some sort of moral or logical high-ground. It isn't, really. Your chances of being killed in a car accident are several thousand times higher than being harmed by smoking pot, for example, yet you probably still ride in cars. Hell, using a toaster is exponentially more dangerous than smoking pot (800 people were electrocuted to death by toasters a couple of years ago). You probably still use a toaster, though.

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Originally posted by Tzeentch
Right, but that's not what you said. What you said was "they're illegal for a reason".

A silly sentiment, considering the most dangerous drugs available are completely legal.

If you don't want to do drugs because it's a life-style decision, that's perfectly acceptable, and it's the type of decision we all have to make. But don't be under any illusions that your stance is on some sort of moral or logical high-ground. It isn't, really. Your chances of being killed in a car accident are several thousand times higher than being harmed by smoking pot, for example, yet you probably still ride in cars. Hell, using a toaster is exponentially more dangerous than smoking pot (800 people are electrocuted to death by toasters annually). You probably still use a toaster, though.

Pointing out that there are legal ways of getting yourself just as killed isn't a valid argument against Nephthys' assertion that drugs are illegal for a reason. At best, all you can do with that argument is argue that cigarettes and alcohol or whatever should also be illegal.

Oh, and he never said he had a moral high-ground. A logical one? Of course he is. That you can get killed by getting in a car doesn't mean driving cars is just as illogical as driving cars and doing meth, because one can in fact do both, and the one who only does one dangerous (And arguably more beneficial at that) practice is not nearly so illogical as someone who does both.

To be fair Tzeentch, marijuana being basically harmless is not the norm for illegal drugs.

I do agree with what you're saying though.

NemeBro
Pointing out that there are legal ways of getting yourself just as killed isn't a valid argument against Nephthys' assertion that drugs are illegal for a reason. At best, all you can do with that argument is argue that cigarettes and alcohol or whatever should also be illegal.

It's a pretty fair condemnation of legality's relevance.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Do you want those to be illegal?

I wouldn't be cut up about it.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Right, but that's not what you said. What you said was "they're illegal for a reason".

A silly sentiment, considering the most dangerous drugs available are completely legal.

If you don't want to do drugs because it's a life-style decision, that's perfectly acceptable, and it's the type of decision we all have to make. But don't be under any illusions that your stance is on some sort of moral or logical high-ground. It isn't, really. Your chances of being killed in a car accident are several thousand times higher than being harmed by smoking pot, for example, yet you probably still ride in cars. Hell, using a toaster is exponentially more dangerous than smoking pot. You probably still use a toaster, though.

Cigarettes and Alcohol are mostly more dangerous precisely because they're not illegal and are so widely available. People can freely overuse them without caution, leading to heavy smokers developing cancer or reckless idiots drinking and driving. And far more people are addicted to them than other forms of drugs because of their easy availability and relative cheapness.

The difference between cars and drugs is that cars aren't mind-altering and don't get you addicted to using them, leading to severe problems. If you have a problem with drugs it's because of the inherent negative effects they cause, if you get into a car crash it (usually) has nothing to do with the car but on your own poor judgement or unavoidable circumstance.

I don't recall taking some sort of moral high ground. I loath drugs, end of story.

Yeah we showed that subhuman semi-negro what's what.

High five!