Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh geez you totally nailed me, man! That is 100% accurate information!Nevermind that I happen to orgasm over the 2003 CW. Or that I actually enjoyed TFU. Or that the ridiculously hyperbolic RotS novel is my fav SW book.
Nope! Gotta be bias!
Hey, it's not my fault you're so transparent. uhuh
Sooo, Depa Billaba has been retconned into specializing in form 3, and form 3 appears to no longer be a defensive form, if Kanan's constant aggressiveness in dueling is any indication.
Interesting.
What's also interesting is that with the removal of the canon "tiers", the lightsaber forms being mentioned in Rebels now makes them literally just as canon as the films themselves.
Originally posted by TzeentchKanan was on the defensive in his duels with the Inquisitor except for the finale, IIRC. And either way, Billaba emphasized the usage of Form III in close-quarters combat.
Sooo, Depa Billaba has been retconned into specializing in form 3, and form 3 appears to no longer be a defensive form, if Kanan's constant aggressiveness in dueling is any indication.Interesting.
What's also interesting is that with the removal of the canon "tiers", the lightsaber forms being mentioned in Rebels now makes them literally just as canon as the films themselves.
"The Temple records are quite complete. In close quarter fighting, Billaba's emphasis was always on Form III, which you favor to a ridiculous degree."
And Kanan was in a tiny prison cell when Inquisitor said that. So, nothing about Form III has been retconned, really.
Fight starts at ~45 seconds in, goes for about 11 seconds before the Inquisitor notes that he's using form 3. For that 11 seconds, Kanan is almost exclusively fighting offensively, while the Inquisitor is predominantly parrying and counter-attacking. 11 seconds of almost pure offense and aggression indicates utilization of "the ultimate expression of non-aggressive Jedi philosophy"? Nah, bruh.
Even if we assumed that soresu was Depa's "preferred" style in close-quarters, how is that enough to instantly reveal that she was his teacher? Soresu was the #1 most widely-used style in the Jedi Order prior to its destruction. There were hundreds if not thousands of Soresu masters that could have been Kanan's master. That him simply using the style is enough to immediately link him to Depa heavily implies through logical deduction that she was renown for her usage of it even among the high-level form 3 masters of the time, which would make little sense if she dedicated the majority of her dueling practice to juyo (even with it being the case that juyo requires mastery of all the forms).
Originally posted by TzeentchHm, okay. I hadn't seen that fight in awhile. Still, other Form III users (that were at least users of the form in Legends) remain a lot on the defensive. Luminara, Obi-Wan -- their fights in TCW they were most of the time adhering to Form III's philosophy and strategy, and the people who made TCW paid attention to how individuals fought, and were aware of their Forms in Legends. So, I don't think just judging by Kanan's fight is enough to assume they've completely retconned Soresu, IMO.
Fight starts at ~45 seconds in, goes for about 11 seconds before the Inquisitor notes that he's using form 3. For that 11 seconds, Kanan is almost exclusively fighting offensively, while the Inquisitor is predominantly parrying and counter-attacking. 11 seconds of almost pure offense and aggression indicates utilization of "the ultimate expression of non-aggressive Jedi philosophy"? Nah, bruh.
Originally posted by TzeentchTrue, that makes sense. I wasn't trying to imply that Depa was still a Juyo/Vaapad practitioner in canon, just that Depa only instructed Kanan to use it in CQC situations. But yeah, Inquisitor deducting Kanan's master from a very short amount of time does seem to imply Depa was an advanced/specialized user of Soresu.
Even if we assumed that soresu was Depa's "preferred" style in close-quarters, how is that enough to instantly reveal that she was his teacher? Soresu was the #1 most widely-used style in the Jedi Order prior to its destruction. There were hundreds if not thousands of Soresu masters that could have been Kanan's master. That him simply using the style is enough to immediately link him to Depa heavily implies through logical deduction that she was renown for her usage of it even among the high-level form 3 masters of the time, which would make little sense if she dedicated the majority of her dueling practice to juyo (even with it being the case that juyo requires mastery of all the forms).
Also, source for Soresu being the most used form pre-Order 66? I always thought it was Ataru...
Honestly, if Form 3 doesn't end up being the defensive form, I will facepalm. If they were going for an offensive form, they could've picked a different Form number. If they make Form III an offensive form, that is literally changing shit just to change shit, and it's every bit as pointless as Korriban to Moraband, or Unifying Force to Cosmic Force.
I think they will. That's what TCW animators were basing Luminara and Obi-Wan's fighting style off of. And in various TCW media they've been credited with Soresu. They use the opening stance of Soresu many times and stick to defensive parries and blocks. I guess they technically could just credit them with another form, but I don't think they'd do it just for the fvck of it. But we've all been wrong when it comes to that stuff...