The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Because the Empire was written as being oppressive and malicious in the original trilogy and it's apart of Disney's business strategy with the franchise to emulate and play off of the original trilogy as much as possible- even to the point of taking plot-points and themes from the OT to an extreme (such as the behavior of the Empire).

Except the Empire weren't complete dumb*** in the OT. :/

I mean the worst incompetence they had was from Ozzel. Every other guy was...well disciplined and not dumber than a bag of hammers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZXXcLABtm0 ^

An interesting theory, but as per Legends? Nah.

Canon wise? Perhaps, though I'm still not too sure. Sounds good in theory, but without confirmation it's just a what if thing. Still...it would make sense, as all the other commanders, like Veers and Piett weren't morons in the OT.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Except the Empire weren't complete dumb*** in the OT. :/

I mean the worst incompetence they had was from Ozzel. Every other guy was...well disciplined and not dumber than a bag of hammers.

The Empire is one of the most incompetent villain forces in cinema. You kind of have to be a dumbass to build a single point-of-failure into your incredibly expensive super-weapon twice.

Originally posted by Lucius
I've been watching Star Wars Rebels, and I have a question.

Why are the Imperials so ****ing stupid? The Imperials are cruel and stupid and malicious for no damn reason. They fail at everything they do, and they frequently go out of the way to inflict suffering on random citizens for... I don't know. Because they're evil or something. Because this is a kid's show and its ****ing stupid. Because SW is brainless pulp.

I don't need the Imperials to not be the antagonists, but it would be nice if they acted like real people.

At the start of the series it's cuz they're a bunch of small-planet thugs with a modicum of power and are just generally incompetent. They get better the further in you get.

Eh... even during Season 2 the Imperials aren't very competent. They get outsmarted almost all the time the Rebels encounter them and just look straight-up foolish.

I have a question for those who have watched Season 1 and are caught up on Season 2: Are you actually enjoying the second season more than the first?

Season 2 is moderately better, moderately.

Yeah I'm still a bit confused about the B-Wing episode when Kallus's evil plan is to stop food getting to the people of that planet. But Why? That did seem like being evil just for the sake of it.

I'll have to assume that planet was being rebellious to the Empire or something, so they were being punished. Or perhaps it was a trap to catch the Rebels. Either way it wouldn't have hurt to explain that properly.

Uh, that was actually pretty clever. The point was to force the rebels into attacking to save the colony so he could defeat them in an actual battle. Without the B-Wing he'd have destroyed most of the rebels forces with ease.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
The Imperials failed or had a pyrrhic victory in every endeavor that they attempted in the original trilogy, up to and including losing their super-weapon twice. In the same way.

The Empire is one of the most incompetent villain forces in cinema. You kind of have to be a dumbass to build a single point-of-failure into your incredibly expensive super-weapon twice.

They failed huh?

Well I doubt they took into account a pilot being able to use this mystical Force which enabled him to destroy the DS the 1st time, so...that's not really incompetence on their part because how would they even account for that?

The 2nd DS was destroyed in a different manner as it wasn't even fully complete, it was set up as a trap which was working up until near the end.

Hardly incompetent on the Empire's side, when the Rebellion's victory over them was, the first time, due to Luke using The Force and the 2nd time where the trap failed towards the end.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Eh... even during Season 2 the Imperials aren't very competent. They get outsmarted almost all the time the Rebels encounter them and just look straight-up foolish.

I have a question for those who have watched Season 1 and are caught up on Season 2: Are you actually enjoying the second season more than the first?

Season 2 is a lot less....kid ish...at least compared to the start of Season 1 anyway. So I like it a little better.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Uh, that was actually pretty clever. The point was to force the rebels into attacking to save the colony so he could defeat them in an actual battle. Without the B-Wing he'd have destroyed most of the rebels forces with ease.

Was that point explained in the episode though?

The impression I got was it was just "to be evil". Maybe I missed that part though.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
[B]They failed huh?

Well I doubt they took into account a pilot being able to use this mystical Force which enabled him to destroy the DS the 1st time, so...that's not really incompetence on their part because how would they even account for that?

The 2nd DS was destroyed in a different manner as it wasn't even fully complete, it was set up as a trap which was working up until near the end.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Said pilot only survived long enough to take that magical shot because a ****ing freighter somehow managed to casually fly past the super-weapon's defenses and sensors without anybody noticing at all and flank Vader. Furthermore the Empire acknowledged that the Rebellion had the schematics to the Death Star and their response was to shrug and leave it to chance. Hubris is a pretty big aspect of incompetence.

"They were succeeding until they failed". Uh, okay?

Yeah, doesn't mean they were incompetent. Just because they failed, doesn't mean incompetence played a part. They could have hardly known that Han would have grown a conscious and come back to help Luke at the last freaking minute. Plus Han wasn't even there long enough for them to do anything considering right after Luke exploded the station.

Yeah they knew they had the plans, but so what? The Rebels were gonna be destroyed if it weren't for Luke.

But anyway they weren't as bad as the Rebels are being...they've had some good showings here and there though, but rest of the time...just..uh.

Although I'm also taking that the Rebels crew also just seems like a bunch of know it alls in some instances.

Guess who just found out that this was a thing:

This guy!

Loving Leia having that ANH hope Luke pose

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Yeah, doesn't mean they were incompetent. Just because they failed, doesn't mean incompetence played a part.

Popping out of hyperspace too close to the planet and alerting the enemy of your presence is human-error. Multiple Star Destroyers and TIE squadrons being utterly incapable of catching one single ship is human-error.

"An entire legion of [the Empire's] best troops" getting rekt by teddy bears and commandos in conventional warfare is human-error.

The list goes on.

But anyway they weren't as bad as the Rebels are being...they've had some good showings here and there though, but rest of the time...just..uh.

Although I'm also taking that the Rebels crew also just seems like a bunch of know it alls in some instances.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Guess who just found out that this was a thing:

This guy!

Apparently it is.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Was that point explained in the episode though?

The impression I got was it was just "to be evil". Maybe I missed that part though.

It's kind of self-evident. That's why he was waiting for them to try to break through the blockade.

I have seen season two of Rebels (I've watched up to the latest), and I was not impressed. The Imperials are still morons. Those two Inquisitors? Pathetic. Stupid. Useless. I don't care if the female is voiced by SMG. She's still dumb and stupid.

All of Vader's supposed cleverness against the rebels? Yeah, that was him reading the ****ing script. Like Vader predicted exactly how the rebels would behave, but the writers didn't understand how to write a chessmaster (which Vader isn't) without making it feel really cheap. To quote one of the best anime ever made, Vader gathered all the ifs in the world in the same spot.

It drains all the tension out of the episodes. There is no credible threat.