So, been playing SWTOR and I just learned Valkorion is actually Vitiate.
Wut.
Also, seriously, what the hell, BioWare?? The 'Eternal Empire' that is 'hidden in Wild Space'? So, basically, the KOTOR 'True Sith' all over again?
I'm baffled by the lack of originality in this game. I mean, ripping off the whole Empire concept from the movies was expected, but this? This has crossed the line for me.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Same. KotFE is some of Swtor's finest stuff but that is still an utterly retarded principle to me. It was just laughable when we found out.
Exactly, it's just something to laugh at now. I cannot believe they based KotFE on the actual premise the game itself is based on: the True Sith = Eternal Empire. It's pathetic.
Worst of all, I still enjoy playing SWTOR. A lot. 🤨
Originally posted by NewGuy01
>It's ok when SWTOR rips off classic Star Wars
>SWTOR ripping off KoTOR "crosses the line"
>top kek
Never said it's ok, I just said it was expected. And it's completely different. SWTOR was created on the premise that Revan encountered the 'True Sith', which were hiding and preparing for centuries in the Unknown Regions, which now we obviously know refers to the Sith Empire and Vitiate. Now, KotFE brings back the whole concept in an absolutely ridiculous way.
The Eternal Empire hiding and preparing for centuries in Wild Space to attack the True Sith who also hid and prepared for centuries in the Unknown Regions to attack the Republic. Malak and Revan are very powerful Sith. No wait, the True Sith are the truly powerful. No wait, it's the Eternal Empire who really really has the power. By the way, the same Emperor reigns over both factions.
Srsly WTF.
It reminds me of the developing Dragonball franchise:
Kame is god.
But then there's King Kai.
Then there's the other King Kais.
Then the Grand Kai.
Then the Supreme Kai(s).
Then the God of Destruction.
Then the multiverse Gods of Destructions.
It's like any franchise that has to keep establishing a newer, bigger threat or hierarchy that's still tied to the original in some way. Eventually it just gets bloated, contrived, nonsenical and unoriginal. "Yes, these Sith were bad, but they were just the opening act of an EVEN WORSE Sith." And then when they get old "You thought THOSE SITH were bad? Well, they were just the puppets for these other TRUE SITH." And then "those were actually being manipulated by another TRUER SITH."
It got lame and repetitive long ago.
Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Never said it's ok, I just said it was expected. And it's completely different. SWTOR was created on the premise that Revan encountered the 'True Sith', which were hiding and preparing for centuries in the Unknown Regions, which now we obviously know refers to the Sith Empire and Vitiate. Now, KotFE brings back the whole concept in an absolutely ridiculous way.
The Eternal Empire hiding and preparing for centuries in Wild Space to attack the True Sith who also hid and prepared for centuries in the Unknown Regions to attack the Republic.
Malak and Revan are very powerful Sith. No wait, the True Sith are the truly powerful. No wait, it's the Eternal Empire who really really has the power. By the way, the same Emperor reigns over both factions.Srsly WTF.
Originally posted by Lord LucienIt's the foregone conclusion of pretty much any franchise, really. If it goes on too long the writers have to continually raise the stakes in order to keep your attention- and then it all turns to dogshit.
It reminds me of the developing Dragonball franchise:Kame is god.
But then there's King Kai.
Then there's the other King Kais.
Then the Grand Kai.
Then the Supreme Kai(s).
Then the God of Destruction.
Then the multiverse Gods of Destructions.It's like any franchise that has to keep establishing a newer, bigger threat or hierarchy that's still tied to the original in some way. Eventually it just gets bloated, contrived, nonsenical and unoriginal. "Yes, these Sith were bad, but they were just the opening act of an EVEN WORSE Sith." And then when they get old "You thought THOSE SITH were bad? Well, they were just the puppets for these other TRUE SITH." And then "those were actually being manipulated by another TRUER SITH."
It got lame and repetitive long ago.
Why it's generally better for franchises to just end eventually rather than keep going. But even then I guess it's important to remember that all this shit isn't even aimed at us, but at the new kids on the block who are just getting into the franchise. Those of us who've been Star Wars fans for 20 years look at the 80 millionth BIGGEST BADDEST FORCE USER TO EVER LIVE with a sigh, but it's an all-new experience for the 12 year olds getting into Star Wars for the first time.
Lucky bastards. I miss that kind of wonder and excitement. Though I don't think when I was younger I got into any BIG franchise, with years of material and backstory/filler. Star Wars was pretty small when I latched on. Dragonball was... well it was the exception. Pokemon was just beginning. Tolkien was essentially complete. Man, that's what I like; complete franchises--beginnings, huge worlds and mythos, and a satisfying end. But most just keep going and going.
Poor kids these days learning Star Wars have so much to catch up on.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
This is much more like DE than it is with KotOR, so how is this bringing the concept back again?
What? How is this more like DE? SWTOR was created based on the 'True Sith' mentioned in KOTOR by Kreia. That's why Revan wasn't around in KOTOR 2. It has everything to do with KOTOR, not DE.
Actually, it's the Eternal Empire hiding in waiting to attack the entire galaxy, which is preoccupied with killing itself. It's actually a pretty intelligent plan. An unnecessary one, given that Valkorion and Vitiate are the exact same person and he could have just merged them, but given how shit the Empire has become and how retarded Sith philosophy is, wiping the slate clean is fine and takes a lot less work.
...Just like the 'True Sith' were 'hiding in waiting to attack' the Republic and the other Sith (aka Revan and Malak's empire), which were 'preoccupied with killing' themselves. Exact same concept as the Eternal Empire.
And I think it was completely unnecessary for Vitiate/Valkorion to have an alternate Empire. As you said, merging would've been much better. And his Eternal Empire is as retarded as his Sith Empire. His son is a maniac, and his goals remain the same. And I haven't played that far, but it doesn't make sense storywise considering his original plan was to consume the whole galaxy. Why would he have another faction under his domain?
Wut? Revan and Malak could probably kill 99% of the Sith in the Sith Empire, the point is that the armies of these empires are more than what the Republic can handle, not that there are uber Force Users out there. That was some stupid shit Avellone came up with for KotOR II.
I wasn't clear enough. I know Revan and Malak would kill the average Sith of the Sith Empire.
Originally posted by Col. Valerian
What? How is this more like DE? SWTOR was created based on the 'True Sith' mentioned in KOTOR by Kreia. That's why Revan wasn't around in KOTOR 2. It has everything to do with KOTOR, not DE.
...Just like the 'True Sith' were 'hiding in waiting to attack' the Republic and the other Sith (aka Revan and Malak's empire), which were 'preoccupied with killing' themselves.
Exact same concept as the Eternal Empire.
And I think it was completely unnecessary for Vitiate/Valkorion to have an alternate Empire. As you said, merging would've been much better.
And his Eternal Empire is as retarded as his Sith Empire. His son is a maniac, and his goals remain the same.
And I haven't played that far, but it doesn't make sense storywise considering his original plan was to consume the whole galaxy. Why would he have another faction under his domain?
I wasn't clear enough. I know Revan and Malak would kill the average Sith of the Sith Empire.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
You're asking how the Emperor who hides away in his secret empire to take over his other empire while it's at war with the Republic is like DE? Really? I don't care about the backstory for TOR. KotFE is an entirely different beast.And it's been what, over three centuries since KotOR? They had plenty of time to recover. Realize that Star Wars is about war. War never changes and all that nonsense. The fact that a war between the Jedi and Sith is going on does not make it the same as KotOR, that just makes it Star Wars, because that is what Star Wars has always been.
It wouldn't have worked the way he wanted because he would have to still be a Sith. Which kind of defeats the purpose.
Not only is Arcann much more successful than the Sith ever were, that has next to nothing to do with Valkorion himself. 😬
Maybe because that was never actually his plan? Maybe we should wait for the story to finish to say what actually happened.
Then you really have no point. Revan and Malak were largely more successful because they took most of the Republic's armies with them and had all the brains and brawn of the Jedi. They also had a super weapon. The Republic never really stood a chance. TOR is nothing like this.
I'm not even sure we're discussing the same point.