Originally posted by The_Tempest
DMB: It seems to have hardened you. You're more calloused. Are you more of a good sport about the ribbing now?
Oh no, he'll start talking shit about other people to anyone who'll listen tbh.
Unless something has changed in the last....
2 months? I'll say he gets angry regardless. He has only realized that acting out on emotions and going on a "ban ant, newguy, jack, carthage etc" crusader was and is unwise.
No, it's talking about the chronicles in-universe. By the time of Palpatine, the main sources of knowledge for the Jedi were the in-universe Revan Mythologies and the Droma Chronicles. Most believed it to be primarily myth, hence the quote. We know that they aren't because they've been published out-of-universe in the form of KotOR and the Tales of the Jedi comic series.
Originally posted by |King Joker|
Is F&D canon or Legenda?
Legends. It incorporates post-2014 "canon" in places, though.
But yeah. It pretty explicitly says that the tales within should not be considered canonical truth, that the tales, deeds, and events within could have been exaggerated.
So we really can't trust them. 😬
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No, it's talking about the chronicles in-universe. By the time of Palpatine, the main sources of knowledge for the Jedi were the in-universe Revan Mythologies and the Droma Chronicles. Most believed it to be primarily myth, hence the quote. We know that they aren't because they've been published out-of-universe in the form of KotOR and the Tales of the Jedi comic series.
Nah, even the out-of-universe instructions to the Game Master explicitly state that the tales within shouldn't be treated as canonical truth.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It's talking in an in-universe sense.We know what happened since they were published out-of-universe.
Stop trying so hard.
Calm down lol.
I'm just pointing out what Force & Destiny very explicitly says on the subject. You're the one liberally applying excuses and mental gymnastics to have your cake and eat it too.
The source very explicitly states that the tales within can't be trusted. 👆
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The "tales" being stories already confirmed to be canon in legends. They're trying to make sense of the "legends" continuity within the 'canon" one. It's not that hard to understand.
F&D is a Legends source. It very explicitly states that the "legends" are not to be considered canonical truth. Why? Because they're legends.
The yellow box includes out-of-universe instructions to the Game Master and players that the tales within should not be considered reliable.
This coming from a Legends source.
It's pretty explicit. 👆
It is in name, but like you even agreed, it's merging together legends and canon concepts. It's primarily a canon book while treating the EU as "legends."
And no, it says they are not to be "treated as canonical truth" because "the truth" "has yet to be revealed," as in, they don't know if it the content is true or not, so tread with caution. It isn't declaring the content as simply myth. Knights of the Old Republic is an out-of-universe game. It's not someone chronologicaling the events from an in-universe perspective. It's undeniably canon in the legends continuity. The fact a small blurb, in which the author's knowledge is clearly limited (if you actually read the book, you'd find the author doesn't know all there is about ancient history and classifies content as "unknown" or "mysterious" and also doesn't know yet that Palpatine and Darth Vader eventually died), says that the stories of Revan and Droma might be myths doesn't mean anything when we know they are legitimate stories.
What are you even trying to argue anyway? That the EU was written from an in-universe perspective? What?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It is in name, but like you even agreed, it's merging together legends and canon concepts. It's primarily a canon book while treating the EU as "legends."And no, it says they are not to be "treated as canonical truth" because "the truth" "has yet to be revealed," as in, they don't know if it the content is true or not, so tread with caution. It isn't declaring the content as simply myth. Knights of the Old Republic is an out-of-universe game. It's not someone chronologicaling the events from an in-universe perspective. It's undeniably canon in the legends continuity. The fact a small blurb, in which the author's knowledge is clearly limited (if you actually read the book, you'd find the author doesn't know all there is about ancient history and classifies content as "unknown" or "mysterious" and also doesn't know yet that Palpatine and Darth Vader eventually died), says that the stories of Revan and Droma might be myths doesn't mean anything when we know they are legitimate stories.
What are you even trying to argue anyway? That the EU was written from an in-universe perspective? What?
lol
Given that the "tales" in question have been revealed but F&D explicitly states the "truth" hasn't been revealed implies that the tales and the truth are mutually exclusive. Because the tales are comprised of unverifiable Legends. F&D also states that the deeds and feats and stories are unreliable.
I'm not arguing anything. I'm simply pointing out that, per Force & Destiny, the feats of ancient Force users really can't be considered 100% reliable.
Unverifiable from an in-universe perspective. They explained it below, which you completely neglected:
Ancient tales and history note that the earliest form of the Jedi and their beliefs dates back to at least 25,000 years before the fall of the Republic. If true, the Jedi predate the Republic itself, though not the earliest ancient galactic civilizations. Belief in and use of the Force predate even the Jedi, and are said to have played a major role in long-forgotten civilizations like the Infinite Empire of the Rakata and perhaps the older and even more mysterious Celestials or Gree. Fragments of history have occasionally surfaced to add credence to one story or another, but after so much time, such evidence is usually incomplete and easily misinterpreted or falsified. The typical Imperial citizen has no knowledge of old or ancient Jedi tales. Most research requires consultation with galactic historians and access to academic databases and knowledge banks. However, the Empire and allied institutions and individuals keep watch over almost all known material related to the Force, Jedi, or Sith. Searching for certain subjects or showing a concerted interest in any of these topics could prompt an Imperial investigation. Truly useful information seems to mysteriously disappear shortly after discovery. Occasionally, the discoverer disappears as well. Here are some of the tales that have survived the millennia, whatever their accuracy might be:
The red text proves that the authors knowledge on ancient history is limited and simply does not know if the stories they are describing are true.
However, we know for a fact that they are indeed true because they've been published in out-of-universe sources. The limited author doesn't know that though.
This is probably the most retarded argument you've ever wrote up, Temp. It's even worse than the universe one.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Unverifiable from an in-universe perspective. They explained it below, which you completely neglected:Ancient tales and history note that the earliest form of the Jedi and their beliefs dates back to at least 25,000 years before the fall of the Republic. If true, the Jedi predate the Republic itself, though not the earliest ancient galactic civilizations. Belief in and use of the Force predate even the Jedi, and are said to have played a major role in long-forgotten civilizations like the Infinite Empire of the Rakata and perhaps the older and even more mysterious Celestials or Gree. Fragments of history have occasionally surfaced to add credence to one story or another, but after so much time, such evidence is usually incomplete and easily misinterpreted or falsified. The typical Imperial citizen has no knowledge of old or ancient Jedi tales. Most research requires consultation with galactic historians and access to academic databases and knowledge banks. However, the Empire and allied institutions and individuals keep watch over almost all known material related to the Force, Jedi, or Sith. Searching for certain subjects or showing a concerted interest in any of these topics could prompt an Imperial investigation. Truly useful information seems to mysteriously disappear shortly after discovery. Occasionally, the discoverer disappears as well. Here are some of the tales that have survived the millennia, whatever their accuracy might be:
The red text proves that the authors knowledge on ancient history is limited and simply does not know if the stories they are describing are true.
However, we know for a fact that they are indeed true because they've been published in out-of-universe sources. The limited author doesn't know that though.
This is probably the most retarded argument you've ever wrote up, Temp. It's even worse than the universe one.
I didn't neglect it at all. If I had neglected it, I would have said that Force & Destiny definitively asserts that the exploits and feats of ancient Jedi and Sith are false. I didn't. I simply said that Force & Destiny, a Legends tome, cannot say for certain that the feats and exploits within actually occurred. It goes so far as to instruct out-of-universe players and Game Masters to not regard them as accurate.
SWTOR, TOTJ, KOTOR, etc. are all legends. If they were true, they wouldn't be treated like fanfiction in a Legends source.
You're getting wayyyyyy too emotional about something remarkably simple to grasp.
