This is a pretty complicated story concering Jewish ties with USA politics. Small, insignificant party of rich Jews has a great impact on US politics when it should be quite the opposite. Too long for random KMC chat, I'm afraid.
There's also the fact that Holocaust is used by them as justification for Jews pretty much demanding money from everybody. They demand money from Poland for the death camps being situated in Poland. And I believe any person with lowest education knows that Poland can't be responsible for what was set in their country during II World War because the country was occupied and Poles didn't have any control over what was done in their country. It was practically, officially and legally a conquered, controlled country.
Too many Jews, at least the vocal ones, make it sound like Holocaust makes them the saint group beyond any criticism. Which is pretty laughable - random Poles suffered actually more than Jews did. There are statistics and scientific data, but nowadays it is considered blasphemy to negate the pathetic preaching "SIX MILLIONS JEWS!!!".
While I do not negate the tragedy and how terrifying it was, it does not make a group saint and impossible to criticize. No things in the world do that.
Originally posted by ZiggystardustQuite, if only everyone had stayed in Africa.
To be fair to Bart, there is imperical data that shows how diversity (both cultural and ethnic) is generally bad for society. So his cause isn't a lost one.
People like to form into competing groups. This natural impulse is encoded in every human being's DNA. It is a deeply embedded encoding, and can't be excised. It can only be controlled by authoritarian measures, i.e. ultimately at the point of a gun. More 20th century borders is likely the manifestation of these ancient desires seeking to congeal into ever smaller, and thus more closely related, human tribes, and now being free to do so. It should be no surprise to a realist of human nature that more borders would lead to more war.Definitely, it's pretty much tied up with that strong Right-wing/conservative impulse to keep everything the same, or rather as it once was, which itself reflects an inborn human impluse to return to nothing (summed up pretty well here, in fact.) In that sense Bart's political viewpoints hardly surprise me. 🙂
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Quite, if only everyone had stayed in Africa.Definitely
it's pretty much tied up with that strong Right-wing/conservative impulse to keep everything the same
Is there any data to support this? Or is it just arm chair theory, a quick jibe towards the conservatives because it's easier to blame them then to have an ounce of introspection? Naturally, the hopelessly naive among you might ask, “Why not just dissolve borders like we are doing here in the USA? Fewer borders should mean less war, right?” Incorrect. What instead will happen — and what we are seeing happening today in the USA — is a chaotic scramble — a BIOLOGICAL IMPERATIVE — to form de facto borders within the essentially borderless nation. This is reiterated by various studies, demonstrating that people naturally segregate themselves. There is no indication of some unworldly influence by the right wingers, forcing people to distrust one-another.
or rather as it once was, which itself reflects an inborn human impluse to return to nothing (summed up pretty well here, in fact.) In that sense Bart's political viewpoints hardly surprise me. 🙂 [/B]
Stand up comedians are not credible sources of data.
Ziggy, dearest, I never said half of those things and my point wasn't directed against whatever opinions you might think I have on U.S border policy.
My point was directed at the assumption that cultural and ethnic diversification is ultimately a negative force, when it's essentially the history of the world. In which case that routine makes some telling and informed observations, you should really give it a watch. 👆
Originally posted by JKBartIt's also not wrong to integrate people either, in fact, over the years, it's proven to be quite productive.
People don't realize it's [b]not wrong to divide people. It is a natural event that people divide and segregate into groups tied by culture.Colliding viewpoints and cultural code... yes, well, guess what? They collide! [/B]
And yeah, cultural codes and viewpoints collide, and creative something new in the process. It's called progression. But to advocate to simply keeping everything separate? Well that's just stagnant.
Originally posted by JKBartWhile i largely agree with this, historically division has had the consequence of alienation, for the most part.
People don't realize it's [b]not wrong to divide people. It is a natural event that people divide and segregate into groups tied by culture.Colliding viewpoints and cultural code... yes, well, guess what? They collide! [/B]
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Ziggy, dearest, I never said half of those things and my point wasn't directed against whatever opinions you might think I have on U.S border policy.
Beni, dearest, If you paid an ounce of attention, you would realise I'm talking about the De facto internal borders are based on race, ethnicity, religion, ideology, and social status, just as hard borders. These aren't formed by any policy, but an ingrained urge for humans to split into tribes that goes beyond societal influences. La Raza is an internal border. The Congressional Black Caucus is an internal border. Journalism is an internal border - most journalists are registered Democrats in the USA - Schools are an internal border. Ever notice how students congregate in a lunchroom cafeteria? How about the quickness with which urban white elites set off for the decidedly less diverse suburbs when the kids reach schooling age? J-Date is an internal border. NASCAR is an internal border. Libertardian blogs are an internal border. Gay Pride and Puerto Rican Day parades are internal borders. Gerrymandered districts are internal borders. Neighborhoods are internal borders. Of course, one notable group has no recognized internal border at all. And we know what happens to undefended, borderless lands: they get overrun.
My point was directed at the assumption that cultural and ethnic diversification is ultimately a negative force
Well you might want to look at the meaning of the word assumption. An assumption isn't someone pounding an equalist dingbat over the head with real world events happening right before his eyes. An assumption becomes something mush more when it's backed up by a reference list of studies finding strong and accumulating evidence leading to one conclusion - Diversity is ultimately a negative force in life - Wolfmyth, if you're watching, take notes. This is how a master debates his art.
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1. Social trust is negatively affected by ethnic diversity, case study in Denmark from 1979 to the present
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2, Ethnic homogeneity and Protestant traditions positively impact individual and societal levels of social trust.
3. “In longitudinal perspective, [across European regions], an increase in immigration is related to a decrease in social trust.”
4. Immigration undermines the moral imperative of those who most favor welfare benefits for the neediest.
5. The negative effect of community diversity on social cohesion is likely causal.
6. In Switzerland, social peace between diverse factions isn’t maintained by integrated coexistence, but rather by strong topographic and political borders that separate groups and allow them autonomy.
7. “Our analysis supports the hypothesis that violence between groups can be inhibited by both physical and political boundaries.”
8. Diversity hinders between-group cooperation at both the one-on-one and group levels.
9. The best chance for peace in Syria is better borders (intrastate or through the creation of new states) “suited to current geocultural regions”, and tribal autonomy.
10. Using data from US states, study finds a negative relationship between ethnic polarization and trust.
11. Diversity is associated with more White support for nationalist parties, except at the local level where large immigrant populations cut into vote totals for nationalist parties.
12. In Australia, ethnic diversity lowers social cohesion and increases “hunkering”, providing support for Putnam’s thesis finding the same results in the US.
13. After controlling for a self-selection bias, study finds that ethnic diversity in English schools reduces trust in same-age people and does not make White British students more inclusive in their attitudes towards immigrants. [
14. In Germany, residential diversity reduces natives’ trust in neighbors, while it also reduces immigrants’ trust but through a different pathway.
15. Increasing social pluralism (diversity) is correlated with increased chance of collective violence.
16. “Ethnic heterogeneity (diversity) explains 55% of the variation in the scale of ethnic conflicts, and the results of regression analysis disclose that the same relationship more or less applies to all 187 countries. … [E]thnic nepotism is the common cross-cultural background factor which supports the persistence of ethnic conflicts in the world as long as there are ethnically divided societies.”
17. Genetic Similarity Theory (GST) could help explain why diverse groups in close proximity increases ethnic conflict and ethnic nepotism.
18. Genetic diversity has contributed significantly to frequency of ethnic civil conflict, intensity of social unrest, growth of unshared policy preferences, and economic inequality over the last half-century.
19. Using social science data and computer modeling, researchers found that policies that attempt to create neighborhoods that are both integrated and socially cohesive are “a lost cause”.
20. The numbers and the genetic distance matter. Minority groups that get above a certain critical mass, and that are culturally distant from the majority culture, begin to self-segregate from the majority, moving society toward division and away from cooperation.
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