The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

Started by Beniboybling3,287 pages

Nutty Nuttall has resigned too. 🙂

Originally posted by Selenial
You evidently have no idea how a parliamentary democracy works.

I know how your system works, but this has nothing to do with what I was responding to, so what exactly was the point you're trying to make? Corbyn is authoritarian is my point. Nothing else to discuss.

An hero Beni, Corbychov lost 🙂

Nope, nope DMB. Comrade Corbyn gained 31 seats and May lost her majority in a hilarious backfire that will probably see Theresa out of office within the year. The Tories were supposed to crush Labour and they ended up scoring another own goal, I'd call that a win. 🙁

Theyre both pretty shit, so that doesn't bother me. Just seems like a better idea to have the Tories negotiate Brexit.

Also that wasn't even remotely by Labour's virtue as much as it was the Tories shooting themsleves in the foot.

Not all, Corbyn ran a strong campaign and increased voter turnout in droves, he got biggest amount of Labour votes since Blair. The Tories cocked up by their biggest mistake was assuming he'd be a pushover.

I'm sure if had absolutely nothing to do with how absolutely terrible the Conservatives looked. It was just how great Corbyn suddenly became. Middle Class Welshmen make up the entirety of the UK, and other such nonsense.

Golly Fresh, maybe it was down to... several factors!

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I know how your system works, but this has nothing to do with what I was responding to, so what exactly was the point you're trying to make? Corbyn is authoritarian is my point. Nothing else to discuss.

No, you evidently don't then. The prime minister has very little executive power without the backing of the members of his parliament and party, none of which were elected on a mandate close to what you suggest Corbyn wants. His power to execute any of the beliefs you attribute to him is less than nil, so your argument essentially falls apart. The Labour Party manifesto was neither Marxist nor distinctly authoritarian, and the issue of raising taxes on the wealthy that you'd attribute to authoritarianism pales in comparison to Theresa May's pledges to strip away human rights and suspend detention times indefinitely, create an entirely moderated and open internet, and more.

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Graduation is one of those things where you *really* don't know how much you'll miss things till you're actually done. I'm even low-key sad I won't even be able to see the people I hate at school anymore, let alone my actual friends. 🙁

You'll get over it. Soon you won't give two shits about your best friend even.

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Originally posted by Beniboybling
Not all, Corbyn ran a strong campaign and increased voter turnout in droves, he got biggest amount of Labour votes since Blair. The Tories cocked up by their biggest mistake was assuming he'd be a pushover.

Yep. Although I'm sure the 2 Terror attacks got May more votes with her harder line attitude.

I find it weird that anyone could legitimately support either of those parties for any reason other than lesser of two evils. Kinda like Trump and Hillary.

If you believe Corbyn is Marxist, I can understand why you'd think that. 🙁

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I find it weird that anyone could legitimately support either of those parties for any reason other than lesser of two evils. Kinda like Trump and Hillary.

Corbyn's a relatively weak, flip-floppery pseudo-liberal, and Theresa May is an uncharismatic authoritarian damp rag. Tim Farron is dull, repetitive and awfully single issue. Sturgeon's a great politician but has nothing but her own interests at heart, the green party are clinically inept and Nuttal's a nutter.

Yeh, our political system is kind of ****ed right now. One of the only good politicians we had left who could put country over party was voted out this election cycle (thanks moronic youth), now there's literally no one left.

Yeh, 100% the lesser of two evils. Disagree with the Trump/Hillary analogy though, even if you think she's corrupt 'lesser of two evils' doesn't even begin to describe the difference between those two choices, Theresa May and Corbyn are closer imho.

Originally posted by Selenial
One of the only good politicians we had left who could put country over party was voted out this election cycle (thanks moronic youth)
who dat

Originally posted by Selenial
Yeh, 100% the lesser of two evils. Disagree with the Trump/Hillary analogy though, even if you think she's corrupt 'lesser of two evils' doesn't even begin to describe the difference between those two choices, Theresa May and Corbyn are closer imho.

Well I mean that wasn't the purpose of that analogy, the purpose of that analogy was that either between Hillary and Trump or Corbyn and May, it only makes sense to me for someone to vote for either of them because they viewed the other candidate as worse, in which case even if you want to argue Hillary>>Trump, it still wouldn't make sense to me to actually want Hillary as president as opposed to just not wanting Trump to be president.

But while I get the sense I wouldn't quite agree with the extent of the gap you have between Hillary and Trump, I would still agree that it's a more pronounced gap than between Corbyn and May.

May is a healthier Hillary clinton and Corbyn is Sanders on steroids.

Corbyn actually seems pretty genuine although his propasals look like they'd land the British Economy in a mountain of debt for generations to come even if they'd help people in the short term. Neither are a good choice, so if you're in the UK, it would probably be a good idea to start looking for an exit plan. May will use whatever terrorist attack as an excuse to increase surveillance and there's literally nothing the british public can do about it, given that they're unarmed.