Originally posted by Kurk
I agreeAlso are you proud of me for finally fapping to Raven hentai?
From what I understand though, Switzerland has a far different view on guns based a lot around their position of neutrality and they see guns as a means of preserving that. They also have a pretty good set of regulations which the US lacks.
It's healthier than what you were doing before.
Exactly. Men are required to serve in the army; children are introduced and taught to handle guns properly early on. Potential crazy people are carefully monitored by the government and psychologists; if they arouse suspension the guns are required to be surrendered.
It's like a Mandalorian culture there vs a Hondo pirate one in the states.
Originally posted by Kurk
Kicked off campus and that's it? She could've ruined someone's life permanently with her accusations? No jail time? Really?
I mean, you don't go to prison for reporting fake crimes, as far as I know. I do think she should face some severe punishment, but prolly not jail time, no.
Originally posted by MythLordDude, the accused's public image has been permanently ruined. They'll always be known as "that rapist" due to the publicity. No jail time? Seriously?
I mean, you don't go to prison for reporting fake crimes, as far as I know. I do think she should face some severe punishment, but prolly not jail time, no.
Originally posted by DarthSkywalker0
@mythlord
Originally posted by Kurk
Dude, the accused's public image has been permanently ruined. They'll always be known as "that rapist" due to the publicity. No jail time? Seriously?
Originally posted by Nephthys
From what I understand though, Switzerland has a far different view on guns based a lot around their position of neutrality and they see guns as a means of preserving that. They also have a pretty good set of regulations which the US lacks.
Originally posted by DarthSkywalker0
I posted two shootings both past 2013...
One link doesn't work, the other is from an article in 2015 that says a shooting happened two years ago, which is the one I was talking about.
Article:
Two years ago, a Serbian war veteran with a reported history of domestic violence shot dead 13 people, including his wife and son, before he died from self-inflicted injuries.
Originally posted by MythLord
Serbia hasn't had a mass public shooting since 2013, and even then the shooting killed only 13 people and was considered the bloodiest massacre we've seen this millennia.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I'd love to see what regulations you're talking about, Neph.
They’re substantially stricter on who gets to own guns. It’s dealt with on a local level, but there’s significant cooperation between regions. Convicts, addicts, and those who’ve displayed the slightest violent tendencies can’t buy guns, and anyone who’s suspect can be subjected by law to psych exams and further scrutiny at the drop of a hat.
They also keep tabs on a higher proportion of gun owners than the US, and have a fairly easy route of determining the psychological profile of persons attempting to purchase weapons, as the state requires military service....
It’s dealt with on a local level, but there’s significant cooperation between regions.
Convicts, addicts, and those who’ve displayed the slightest violent tendencies can’t buy guns, and anyone who’s suspect can be subjected by law to psych exams and further scrutiny at the drop of a hat.
They also keep tabs on a higher proportion of gun owners than the US
and have a fairly easy route of determining the psychological profile of persons attempting to purchase weapons, as the state requires military service....
Originally posted by DarthSkywalker0Well, we wouldn't expect a perfect correlation here. Gun ownership in the US is mostly driven by a small minority of hoarders who buy and own several firearms. And of course, it only takes 1 firearm to commit a homicide, so any additional guns a person owns on top of the first isn't going to bump up the homicide rate as much, but it will bump up the gun ownership stat consistently. Graphs like this also gloss over the miscellany of other factors that influence the figures. Harvard academics who accounted for other such factors seemed to find clear and consistent links between gun prevalence and both gun and overall homicide, in a series of literature reviews and studies they conducted across states and high income nations:
Zoltan, I love your banter with Kurk, but you are woefully ignorant regarding guns. Despite the countless amount of firearms in the US, the homicide rate has been steadily dropping since the 80s.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5n6_sd4FEuo/Wrrf8wivcII/AAAAAAAAFKo/SRVe7aUCsZ4xVo5ZZqUqEU-l8d3mnzPvACL0BGAYYCw/h495/2018-03-27.jpg
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/
1. Where there are more guns there is more homicide (literature review)
Our review of the academic literature found that a broad array of evidence indicates that gun availability is a risk factor for homicide, both in the United States and across high-income countries. Case-control studies, ecological time-series and cross-sectional studies indicate that in homes, cities, states and regions in the U.S., where there are more guns, both men and women are at a higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide. (Hepburn, Lisa; Hemenway, David. Firearm availability and homicide: A review of the literature. Aggression and Violent Behavior: A Review Journal. 2004; 9:417-40.)
2. Across high-income nations, more guns = more homicide
We analyzed the relationship between homicide and gun availability using data from 26 developed countries from the early 1990s. We found that across developed countries, where guns are more available, there are more homicides. These results often hold even when the United States is excluded. (Hemenway, David; Miller, Matthew. Firearm availability and homicide rates across 26 high income countries. Journal of Trauma. 2000; 49:985-88.)
3. Across states, more guns = more homicide
Using a validated proxy for firearm ownership, we analyzed the relationship between firearm availability and homicide across 50 states over a ten-year period (1988-1997). After controlling for poverty and urbanization, for every age group, people in states with many guns have elevated rates of homicide, particularly firearm homicide. (Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. Household firearm ownership levels and homicide rates across U.S. regions and states, 1988-1997. American Journal of Public Health. 2002; 92:1988-1993.)
4. Across states, more guns = more homicide (2)
Using survey data on rates of household gun ownership, we examined the association between gun availability and homicide across states, 2001-2003. We found that states with higher levels of household gun ownership had higher rates of firearm homicide and overall homicide. This relationship held for both genders and all age groups, after accounting for rates of aggravated assault, robbery, unemployment, urbanization, alcohol consumption, and resource deprivation (e.g., poverty). There was no association between gun prevalence and non-firearm homicide. (Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. State-level homicide victimization rates in the U.S. in relation to survey measures of household firearm ownership, 2001-2003. Social Science and Medicine. 2007; 64:656-64.)
5. A summary of the evidence on guns and violent death
This book chapter summarizes the scientific literature on the relationship between gun prevalence (levels of household gun ownership) and suicide, homicide and unintentional firearm death and concludes that where there are higher levels of gun ownership, there are more gun suicides and more total suicides, more gun homicides and more total homicides, and more accidental gun deaths. This is the first chapter in the book and provides and up-to-date and readable summary of the literature on the relationship between guns and death. It also adds to the literature by using the National Violent Death Reporting System data to show where (home or away) the shootings occurred. Suicides for all age groups and homicides for children and aging adults most often occurred in their own home. (Miller M, Azrael D, Hemenway D. Firearms and violence death in the United States. In: Webster DW, Vernick JS, eds. Reducing Gun Violence in America. Baltimore MD: Johns Hopkins University Press, 2013.)
6. More guns = more homicides of police
This article examines homicide rates of Law Enforcement Officers (LEOs) from 1996 to 2010. Differences in rates of homicides of LEOs across states are best explained not by differences in crime, but by differences in household gun ownership. In high gun states, LEOs are 3 times more likely to be murdered than LEOs working in low-gun states. (Swedler DI, Simmons MM, Dominici F, Hemenway D. Firearm prevalence and homicides of law enforcement officers in the United States. American Journal of Public Health. 2015; 105:2042-48.)
Originally posted by DarthSkywalker0I think we've discussed this before, but the table you post here is very misleading. The only reason why Norway and other such countries rank above the US on that table is because they've had a very small handful of anomalous mass shootings, which bump the per-capita rate up significantly due to those countries small populations. Those countries do not suffer from a consistent trend of mass shootings, but mostly one-off or infrequent atrocities.And even if this stat was accurate, the US is not number one in mass shooting frequency nor mass shooting mortality.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-xqxZEX709ZU/WrrhMB19ukI/AAAAAAAAFKw/PF-aZBFJsQUobrwIPo-Y_wd35tcG8h2_gCL0BGAYYCw/h505/2018-03-27.png
Apparently it takes a Harvard professor to work out that more things designed to kill people = more people being killed. 🙁
Originally posted by lazybones👆
I think we've discussed this before, but the table you post here is very misleading. The only reason why Norway and other such countries rank above the US on that table is because they've had a very small handful of anomalous mass shootings, which bump the per-capita rate up significantly due to those countries small populations. Those countries do not suffer from a consistent trend of mass shootings, but mostly one-off or infrequent atrocities.
@Freshest: I’m aware there’s crossovers with American law, that was intentional, can’t highlight the differences if you don’t see the similarities.
Breaking my post down into different sections defeats the purpose of looking at the laws holistically. Yes you have background checks too, but as my other points noted, not anywhere near the same kind. Essentially your response has been ‘sure, they have stricter laws here, but I’m glad we don’t have them’. That’s your prerogative for sure, but you asked Neph what the differences were, and that’s them.
If you’re so paranoid about state intervention in your life that you’re willing to accept an increase in the prevalence of mass shootings then I guess that’s your decision.
