The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

That's fairly strange, Faunus. Go play AdventureQuest or someshit.

RH- I do agree that an anarchic landscape will lead to humans devouring each other and will simply not let the interests of the weaker or more peaceful individuals be heard; instead, the violent and the aggressive will dominate the world and will, themselves, each other. The result will be a miserable world.

I also vehemently disagree with the fact that governments need be accepted, regardless of the corruption within them. I think all governments must be questioned. While I do believe that governments can work, I still think that they must be watched. The fundamental purpose of a country is, after all, to serve its citizens- and how do you do such a thing when the citizens do not have some measure of power? I don't buy the notion that some people know what is good for others. Because only the individual is capable of perceiving his life, developing a morality, and dictating what is good for him: letting somebody else do that will inevitably lead to a horrible place, with people incapable of self-expression and happiness.

And is the government is corrupt, it must be replaced. How can a corrupt government be trusted to serve the interests of its populace? It cannot. Politicians who lie cannot be trusted to genuinely act in the interests of their voters. In short, blindly respecting a government or authority simply because it is one and "probably knows best" is one of the most dangerous things conceivable.

Exodus: Sexy is right in saying that the three major laws (murder, rape, and theft) have always existed, in some form, throughout history; because without them, a society will degenerate into anarchy and can never hear the interests of its populace. However, you are right in the sense that the legal definitions of these acts have consistently varied, but some variation of them always existed. (Note: I don't believe that 'all societies agree upon it' is a valid call; humans are, by definition, fallible, and in order for an action be 'universally evil' or 'universally good', there must be a level that exists beyond the beliefs of humanity. And since that level cannot be proven to exist, then the existence of some sort of higher standards of good or evil cannot be proven.)

Poke, poke.

Lame

What the hell, my guy was poking the other guy to death and suddenly he throws away his poking stick, idiot.

I'll have a response in about ten hours. Meanwhile...

MY INITIALS ARE 'RN', NOT 'RH'!!! GET IT RIGHT!!!

Now if you do something like that, everyone will call you RH.

Pwnt.

Main dude: http://prime-eminence.mybrute.com

Click the link, make a character right then and there on the left, fight him, lose, and then go level up. I will give you cookies.

http://dirty-liberal.mybrute.com/init

Dude.

😆

I figured that was Lightsnake, but you work too.

Danke.

Edit: You want to be posting this, though:

http://dirty-liberal.mybrute.com

Also, supposed food poisoning sucks. I had blood drawn to get tested for freaking salmonella, but I think it's just viral.

I'm wayyyyy dirtier than anyone here. And food poisoning is da shit; it gets you off school, which is worth virtually anything. Almost anything.

Four days. I'm going on break now, so when I get back next Monday it'll have been two weeks since I was in school.

It's ridiculous.

Ridiculous? I woulda been ****ing jealous if it wasn't for the fact that I'm on passover vacation, which is 19 days long.

... In high school? WTF.

And while I missed school, it wasn't fun. Puking = suck.

Before I answer MC, I pose this question to MC and Faunus (Not you veneficus you'll hurt yourself).

Since we are on the subject of relativism vs. universal, here's what I have an issue with.
For something to be subjective, there must be rational, logical explanation for both sides. So I would like for you to give me a rational and logical explanation for rape, murder, and theft. In case you're wondering why I don't say justification, we're assuming the term "justification" already means rational and logical explanation. If you guys can give me justifications, then I will concede that particular argument.

For something to be subjective, there must be rational, logical explanation for both sides.

Subjectivity is based on perception, not logic. An insane person sees the world subjectively, as does a genius. That does not mean that both are operating using logic and reasoning on the same level. Both are not necessarily using objective methods to come about their decisions. So you may want to check your definition.

And no, I haven't read a word before this page about the long strung out argument.

Say, Janus, what was with the now deleted 'The Truth about Illustrious thread at EoD? What'd it say?

What now?

EoD...the 'Wahtever section.' Sadly the thread's been deleted.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
Subjectivity is based on [b]perception, not logic. An insane person sees the world subjectively, as does a genius. That does not mean that both are operating using logic and reasoning on the same level. Both are not necessarily using objective methods to come about their decisions. So you may want to check your definition.

And no, I haven't read a word before this page about the long strung out argument. [/B]

But for everything to be subjective, there must be a justification to both sides. Me saying I agree with the holocaust because the Nazis rule doesn't make the concept of the holocaust subjective, because an excuse isn't a justification.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
But for everything to be subjective, there must be a justification to both sides. Me saying I agree with the holocaust because the Nazis rule doesn't make the concept of the holocaust subjective, because an excuse isn't a justification.