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Originally posted by Red Nemesis

...k? I don't actually care about Aristotle, I was just pointing out that comparing philosophers unfavorably to scientists is a bit silly. The distinction is very recent.

Did I misunderstand your 'hilarious'?

I'm growing weary of people informing me about a third party's intentions. Example: Agitated seniors screaming "You're lying to me" at town hall meetings. Example: TJ informing that Obama has motives other than what he says and that my line by line account of his response was *subjective* and open to *interpretation*. You telling me that philosophers don't actually look for truth, they're just joshing us. They really wanna meat girls!

Then a lot of pre-med students are pseudointellectuals? Also: Lawyers? And Lit-Majors? And any sort of scientist? This sounds less like populism (word choice? looking for an antonym of elitism) and more like anti-intellectualism.
Which, FYI, is a bad thing. [/B]

I would put English Lit majors in the same category as philosophers. I don't see as much mental masturbation in law or medical school. That's not to say that doesn't exist, but the pseudointellectualism is running rampant in liberal arts/philosophy majors.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
[b]You were the one enthused about 'Rather let 1000 guilty men go free than kill one innocent.

...I missed the Geneva thing, repeat it? [/B]

I'm confused, how does this apply to terrorism which affects whole nations, as opposed to a single crime affecting the victim or their families?

Originally posted by calvs
...Which would be? 😕

Classical/Austrian School of Economics. I am definitely Jewish AND lazy though. And keynesian economics is inherently flawed.

Meet. And again, most of the philosophy majors in college don't actually give a damn, they want to impress other people with the crap they can regurgitate.

I assure you, the "misspelling" was intentional. I changed it back and forth several times.

...In which case they are wasting their time. That doesn't mean that philosophy itself is a waste of time though.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
I assure you, the "misspelling" was intentional. I changed it back and forth several times.

...In which case they are wasting their time. That doesn't mean that philosophy itself is a waste of time though.

Well once again, my view of philosophy has been tainted by liberal arts and philosophy majors. Other than that, if it helps you sleep better at night or figure something out, go for it. Although I do have a problem with people who understand philosophy well, but can't seem to comprehend how financial and monetary institutions work on this planet.

Well, i was just pointing out how the Taliban did not fit into any of the prisoner of war categories. At most, they fit under category 2(from article 4) But they dont' fit the criteria of a. b. c. and d., (most notably failing b) Unless of course, you want to try to include them in category 6, but i find that a stretch, and i'm sure you would too.

Now, I dont' advocate this is reason to torture them, but why call something illegal, when instead you can just call it evil? (Now i ahven't heard you call waterboarding illegal yet, so i definilty don't mean to put words in your mouth there.)

No question from me that it SHOULD BE illegal. The U.S. should hang on to the moral high ground. It should be a point of pride, if nothing else.

Originally posted by truejedi
Well, i was just pointing out how the Taliban did not fit into any of the prisoner of war categories. At most, they fit under category 2(from article 4) But they dont' fit the criteria of a. b. c. and d., (most notably failing b) Unless of course, you want to try to include them in category 6, but i find that a stretch, and i'm sure you would too.

Now, I dont' advocate this is reason to torture them, but why call something illegal, when instead you can just call it evil? (Now i ahven't heard you call waterboarding illegal yet, so i definilty don't mean to put words in your mouth there.)

No question from me that it SHOULD BE illegal. The U.S. should hang on to the moral high ground. It should be a point of pride, if nothing else. [/QUOTE]

For starters, TrueJedi, the 'ticking time bomb' argument is nonsense. And given information obtained from physical torture is notoriously unreliable?

And something 'evil' is much more subjective and not technically against the law. Illegality is what's important on the legal level.

Waterboarding is Illegal
By Wilson R. Huhn

...
So: The Geneva Convention, Torture Act,[23] the War Crimes Act,[24],and the laws entitled “Prohibition on Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment or Punishment of Persons Under Custody or Control of the United States Government”[25] and “Additional Prohibition on Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment.”[26] all prohibit this practice.

I have not had the opportunity to follow up and examine the laws themselves (finding this paper took long enough- my elaborate archive system sux).

I have more to argue against its use, but that doesn't seem like a problem here.

Let's say it together: Torture is unjustifiable and inhumane.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Well once again, my view of philosophy has been tainted by liberal arts and philosophy majors. Other than that, if it helps you sleep better at night or figure something out, go for it. Although I do have a problem with people who understand philosophy well, but can't seem to comprehend how financial and monetary institutions work on this planet.

In other words Philosophy leading to progressiveness and advancement is a bad thing and people who don't subscribe to the economic theory that's started a recession are fools.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Now, I dont' advocate this is reason to torture them, but why call something illegal, when instead you can just call it evil? (Now i ahven't heard you call waterboarding illegal yet, so i definilty don't mean to put words in your mouth there.)

No question from me that it SHOULD BE illegal. The U.S. should hang on to the moral high ground. It should be a point of pride, if nothing else.

For starters, TrueJedi, the 'ticking time bomb' argument is nonsense. And given information obtained from physical torture is notoriously unreliable?

And something 'evil' is much more subjective and not technically against the law. Illegality is what's important on the legal level. [/B][/QUOTE]

should have read my posts. I don't disagree with any of that. In fact. I said it first.

It should be noted that, if you make a single mistake, you're a fool and everything you are and have ever done should be disregarded as the accidental happenings of a moron who possesses no capacity for change or reform, and certainly not for recompense.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
It should be noted that, if you make a single mistake, you're a fool and everything you are and have ever done should be disregarded as the accidental happenings of a moron who possesses no capacity for change or reform, and certainly not for recompense.

lol, that is politics today in a nutshell. Couldnt' have been better put.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
In other words Philosophy leading to progressiveness and advancement is a bad thing and people who don't subscribe to the economic theory that's started a recession are fools.

ROFL. This implies philosophy automatically leads to progressiveness and advancement, which is certainly NOT the case. And yes, people who subscribe to keynesian economic theory are fools.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Now, I dont' advocate this is reason to torture them, but why call something illegal, when instead you can just call it evil? (Now i ahven't heard you call waterboarding illegal yet, so i definilty don't mean to put words in your mouth there.)

No question from me that it SHOULD BE illegal. The U.S. should hang on to the moral high ground. It should be a point of pride, if nothing else.

And something 'evil' is much more subjective and not technically against the law. Illegality is what's important on the legal level.

I really do NOT understand this line of thought. Even if the terrorists fight with no morals, we should still take the high moral ground? This is ridiculous. How many people have to die before this so called "progressive" theory is viewed as retarded?

You know DS, your use of the 'r' word has increased lately. It is darn distasteful.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
You know DS, your use of the 'r' word has increased lately. It is darn distasteful.

Should I use a different one? Preposterous? Ok I'll use the p word.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090813/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/us_economy

^Hilarious. Even the government has to be honest from time to time. No shit consumer spending is down, because everyone is saving. No shit jobless claims are up because more and more people are getting laid off. So much for LS' "it's getting better" argument rofl.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Should I use a different one? Preposterous? Ok I'll use the p word.

Stupendous!

Alrighty then.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090813/ap_on_bi_ge/us_foreclosure_rates

^Something the government CANNOT manipulate. The effects of the real estate bubble are biting us in the ass. Only solution to foreclosure problem? MORE STIMULUS! RIP US economy.