The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

Originally posted by truejedi
i want my question answered.

Feel free to invent some highly unlikely scenario that would normally never happen.

kill babies if it were the right thing to do? If they are holding a virus that will destroy the whole human race unless i kill them?

Yes, yes I would.

just like ol yeller.

Old Yeller didn't have a disease. He just had it comin'.

Your mom had it coming

really hate NostalgiaCritic though.

.......How? He's awesome!

under what circumstance would it be the right thing to do?

If God said it was, duh.

if God said kill babies? like in the OT? I have thought about that, and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't do it.

The problem with people using "Divine Theory" is those people are just stating what they perceive to be God's laws without really understanding them or understanding their explanations (there ARE explanations for them as to avoid confusion).

the problem in the OT is that another human told these israelites what to do. They weren't told to kill babies by God, they were told to kill babies by Saul, or Jasua, respectively. In that case, I would assume Saul or Joshua were lying. If it was directly a burning-bush experience... then I don't know.

actually i do know. I would assume it was a demon or satan portraying themselves as God, so I wouldn't do it then either.

Whats this about the OT? I was just saying it would be an intrinsically right thing if God says it is.

... Or wait, maybe Gods saying it becuase it's intrinsically right already.....

Philosophy!

Originally posted by truejedi
the problem in the OT is that another human told these israelites what to do. They weren't told to kill babies by God, they were told to kill babies by Saul, or Jasua, respectively. In that case, I would assume Saul or Joshua were lying. If it was directly a burning-bush experience... then I don't know.

Actually, God tells these to Moses who passes them down to Pharaoh, if you're referring to the death of the 1st borns. And if you are, it was God who had them killed, not any humans. I'm not sure what you're talking about if you're not referring to the Plagues of Egypt.

Originally posted by Nephthys
[B]Whats this about the OT? I was just saying it would be an intrinsically right thing if God says it is.

... Or wait, maybe Gods saying it becuase it's intrinsically right already.....

Philosophy!

I'm referring to when Samuel had Saul wipe out the Amalakites, and when Jericho fell and Joshua had them kill every single living human being.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
The problem with that theory, and one that the morons in Intro to Philosophy all the time, is that if God is following something because it's intrinsically right, it wouldn't make him "God". The concept of God is that he is omniscient and omnipotent and as such, what he does and creates is "right " and "wrong". If he's following some universal moral path, then he's no longer God.

Well then I guess that answers your question TJ, it would be right if God said it would.

So you'd have to choke that baby like he owes you money!

actually, since it already happened, We would be better off discussing the real events, rather than the philosophical "what if".

Well the problem with that is that God's baby killing days are all in teh OT, where he is a legit douchenozzel cum axemurder (no offence Beefy, but he was quite the psycho). But then Jeezus came and revolutionised everything to make everyone all lovey lovey and stop with the eye for the eye bit. So I'm not sure if all this applies to you since you're a Christian and therefore have the NT superceed the OT.

Interestingly enough I once had this exact same conversation with my old Muslim friend Paul. He said that he wouldn't (in this case wipe out humanity) becuase God would never ask him to do that. I said what if he knew without a doubt that it was Him, and he reluctantly said that, yes, he'd have to do it. He'd wipe out humanity if God told him to.

Morally, I would say not to, even if it is God I wouldn't. The prick can burn me in hell before I do it.

Logically I'd snap that neck lickity-split.

see, i agree with that. I wouldn't wipe out humanity to avoid judgement. I would go to hell first. Which i don't know if that makes me a bad christian... but I'm pretty sure that would be my answer.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well the problem with that is that God's baby killing days are all in teh OT, where he is a legit douchenozzel cum axemurder (no offence Beefy, but he was quite the psycho). But then Jeezus came and revolutionised everything to make everyone all lovey lovey and stop with the eye for the eye bit. So I'm not sure if all this applies to you since you're a Christian and therefore have the NT superceed the OT.

And I find it funny how God made himself into a dick based on the logic that he gave me. Its almost as if he wants me to hate him.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And I find it funny how God made himself into a dick based on the logic that [b]he gave me. Its almost as if he wants me to hate him. [/B]

He didn't give you the logic to understand him, but to trust in his wisdom. Clearly that's completely over your head.