Alpha Flight vs Hellfire Club

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Alpha Flight vs Hellfire Club

The classic teams.

Alpha Flight - Guardian, Vindicator, Shaman, Marrina, Snowbird, Northstar, Aurora, Puck, Sasquatch

Hellfire Club - Sebastian Shaw, Emma Frost, Selene, Mastermind (Jason Wyngarde), Donald Pierce, Sage

Who wins?

toss-up............

Shaw has the ability to absorb Kinetic energy, and I know Frost's powers, but what about the rest of the hellfire club?

AS for alphaflight, they are one of the best and most well rounded teams around (unfortunately they are never written like that).

Team members like Guardian, Vindicator, Shaman and Marrina are pretty powerful and Diverse.

Snowbird, Northstar, Aurora, Puck and Sasquatch by themselves are formadable, with the top ranking Alphans I see this team hard to beat. I will however reserve my judgement until I know more about the Hellfire club's membership.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellfire_Club_%28comics%29

Donald Pierce is a cyborg, strong and highly resistant to damage. He's similar to Collossus but much weaker, maybe Class 10. He's a lot faster and more agile than Collossus though.

Mastermind can project telepathic illusions. He's very good at it. He's manipulated Phoenix for a while, and Sentry.

Selene has too many powers for me to be bothered to explain, here's her wiki file http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selene_%28comics%29 ......go look

Sage is a like a living computer. Very skilled fighter too.

Thanks Golem, you beat me to it!

Alpha Flight has several members that block telepathy, and with Aurora and Northstar the Hellfire is up to get speedblitz. Shaman could always release the Void, Marrina transforms into her ultimate form that took on the Avengers.

Since it's classic teams, is it classic powers as well?

Yeah, we'll go with classic powers for now.

Would you see the fight going differently with current powers?

Alpha Flight - Guardian, Vindicator, Shaman, Marrina, Snowbird, Northstar, Aurora, Puck, Sasquatch

Hellfire Club - Sebastian Shaw, Emma Frost, Selene, Mastermind (Jason Wyngarde), Donald Pierce, Sage

Guardian and vidicator take care of the telepaths.

Shaman (I would think) is far more powerful that Selene.

Sasquatch Crushes Pierce.

Leaving Marrina, Snowbird, Northstar, Aurora and Puck to deal with Shaw and Sage.

I'm leaning towards alpha flight on this one. Hellfire's powers seem to crossover quite a bit. A good team should have more diversity.

Selene seems like the biggest threat for the Alpha flight, the rest should get speed blitzed. So if the AF find a way to take out Selene without her stealing their life-force then they win.

The HC is not so much a team it's more about power, money and bureaucracy.

If Selene is truly Immortal and can teleport with ease she could transport Sasquatch Puck and Snowbird into the sun and maybe even Marrina to. Since Guardian is completely robtic now couldn't Sage Cyberpathy is mind?

Cyberpathy (also called cyberkinetics) is a fictional psionic ability to psychically interact with computers and/or electronic equipment (this excludes non-electric machinery, such as guns and the average car). This is usually accomplished by psionically "reading" the computer's electronic impulses, or converting their own thoughts into electronic signals which they mentally transmit into the computer, or psychokinetically controlling the computer's circuitry. Often used in science fiction, cyberpathy (cyber referring to computers, and pathy meaning "feeling"😉 enables a person (called a cyberpath) to control computers, or read data files from a computer system without being in the immediate vicinity of a computer, or control technology such as robots or security systems, or have a mind which functions like a computer.

Originally posted by golem370
If Selene is truly Immortal and can teleport with ease she could transport Sasquatch Puck and Snowbird into the sun and maybe even Marrina to. Since Guardian is completely robtic now couldn't Sage Cyberpathy is mind?

Cyberpathy (also called cyberkinetics) is a fictional psionic ability to psychically interact with computers and/or electronic equipment (this excludes non-electric machinery, such as guns and the average car). This is usually accomplished by psionically "reading" the computer's electronic impulses, or converting their own thoughts into electronic signals which they mentally transmit into the computer, or psychokinetically controlling the computer's circuitry. Often used in science fiction, cyberpathy (cyber referring to computers, and pathy meaning "feeling"😉 enables a person (called a cyberpath) to control computers, or read data files from a computer system without being in the immediate vicinity of a computer, or control technology such as robots or security systems, or have a mind which functions like a computer.

Tanaraq/Sasquatch and Snowbird are truely immortal and you can't teleport her against her will. Plus they have Shaman who can do the exact same thing and more. No this is classic powers, meaning he isn't a cyborg in this fight,

Snowbird:
http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Snowbird

edit: Prove to me she even has that sort of skill with teleporting anyways.

Then he gets mind raped and so does Vindicator and this is truly classic Alpha then Tanaraq hadn't met Sasquatch so he is not Immortal.Face it there boned

What would happen If Selene drained him of his life Shaman I mean and Sasquatch and Puck and the others.

http://www.selene71.coolfreepages.com/

Originally posted by golem370
Then he gets mind raped and so does Vindicator and this is truly classic Alpha then Tanaraq hadn't met Sasquatch so he is not Immortal.Face it there boned

Gaurdian has always been able to shut down the minds of others.

I think you are heavily underestimating Shaman.

And Tanaraq has ALWAYS been a part of the Sasquatch character.

You are placing all your eggs in Selene's basket. I think there are more than enough powers on alphaflight to deal with her.

Originally posted by golem370
Then he gets mind raped and so does Vindicator and this is truly classic Alpha then Tanaraq hadn't met Sasquatch so he is not Immortal.Face it there boned

No, he has electromangetic telepathy blocks in place, same as Vindicator. No again, Sasquatch is using Tanaraq's body, they meet in a flashback in AF#8. So maybe you should actually learn before you speak.

Originally posted by golem370
What would happen If Selene drained him of his life Shaman I mean and Sasquatch and Puck and the others.

If she tried to do that to Sasquatch, Tanaraq would be released as he is part of the classic AF. Puck's dead as he is just a dwarf and she wouldn't against Shaman as he is on a higher level than her

Originally posted by golem370
http://www.selene71.coolfreepages.com/

and?...where does it state she can teleport them to the sun?

Selene slaughtered the Externals(Who are suppose to be immortal) with her Life draining powers, wouldn't that mean ALL immortals will turn to dust.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Gaurdian has always been able to shut down the minds of others.

I think you are heavily underestimating Shaman.

And Tanaraq has ALWAYS been a part of the Sasquatch character.

Yep, same with Vindicator with the E-M suit just cyborg Guardian could do it to a higher degree.

Shaman can always suck her into the Void or do what he did to Shaw
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/WhatIf_v2_59_WhatifWolverineleadAlp.jpg

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Shaman spells:
http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Shaman

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Selene slaughtered the Externals(Who are suppose to be immortal) with her Life draining powers, wouldn't that mean ALL immortals will turn to dust.

No, because Snowbird is a demi-god not just any immortal and Tanaraq is a god older than the Earth itself. They are on a higher level than Gideon

One could argue that Selene could pull out her vast psionic and magical abilities, to battle Shaman, however there are very few feats of this. The extent of her magical abilities are unknown, so I guess the AF win this.(After all it is 9 vs 6)