Shaman & Talisman vs Odin

Originally posted by King_Mungi
......Huh? The Great Beasts and the Gods of the Arctic arn't dead their in their own dimension like Odin is in Valhalla yet she still controlled them. Everyone has a spirit which Talisman can control that's her power.

They didn't, but general thought on this board with 3 days prep Strange can beat Odin [which even had a few threads about it] and as stated Talisman = Dr.Strange

General thought doesn't make it right. I can't think of any plot device he could pull out off the top of my mind that he could take Odin out with.
Plus, Strange has quite a bit of magical artifacts.

Also, to someone that said it earlier... Odin doesn't get stronger or weaker in Asgard last I checked... he's just that powerful at all times.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I thought people were calling Odin a spirit.
Like the Collective... 😖hifty:

*GASP* An off-panel fight, which apparently nano-scorpions were involved. Yes nano-scorpions killed Puck II and Major Mapleleaf

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

General thought doesn't make it right. I can't think of any plot device he could pull out off the top of my mind that he could take Odin out with.
Plus, Strange has quite a bit of magical artifacts.

Shaman has access to far more artifacts...far more. Literally with the Void it consists of "millions of worlds, with trillions of magical spells and artifacts." There was no limit to what he could pull out. With Carcass Shaman summoned a structure a pure order which stopped him and The Unmaking which would have destroyed all of reality. Shaman has the tools, and with the Talisman, Gods [not just one] feed her information on how to do battle. That's why in the past she could beat the likes of Llan.

The Coll..

I mean Odin takes this!! 👽

Originally posted by B.A
The Coll..

I mean Odin takes this!! 👽

He most likely does, but 3 days prep with the likes of Talisman and Shaman? Good lord he is in for a fight.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
No one did, but made mention Talisman controlled skyfathers in the past...which she did

*GASP* An off-panel fight, which apparently nano-scorpions were involved. Yes nano-scorpions killed Puck II and Major Mapleleaf

Thought that would get you riled up... 🙂

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Shaman has access to far more artifacts...far more. Literally with the Void it consists of "millions of worlds, with trillions of magical spells and artifacts." There was no limit to what he could pull out. With Carcass Shaman summoned a structure a pure order which stopped him and The Unmaking which would have destroyed all of reality. Shaman has the tools, and with the Talisman, Gods [not just one] feed her information on how to do battle. That's why in the past she could beat the likes of Llan.

Given that Talisman is vastly depowered, Shaman probably is too. Odin wins. 😛

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
So, she could control Odin?

Thought that would get you riled up... 🙂

Potentially yes, but I cannot say for certain

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Perhaps... but I also meant that as in, we know what Strange's artifacts can do. We know all his artifacts. We know what they can do.
Do we know all of Shaman's? What has her best artifact done that could take down Odin, etc?

The Void itself, which is said to be able to destroy the universe if left unchecked.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Given that Talisman is vastly depowered, Shaman probably is too. Odin wins. 😛

Vastly depowered? Currently Shaman's dead soooooo point? Unless we should debate with a dead character, which Odin is too.

So thus Talisman is left standing so the team wins. I can use your logic too 😉

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Potentially yes, but I cannot say for certain

Originally posted by King_Mungi
The Void itself, which is said to be able to destroy the universe if left unchecked.

Ballzy.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I guess it's not impossible... Loki's traded spirits with Odin and took his body, and locked away the spirit. However, I completely forget how he did so...

Well then I like Talisman chances then.

Fun tidbit: Talisman punked Loki's magic when she just literally became Talisman and was a rookie. She even used his magic to make her stronger

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

And he would do that in a fight against Odin?

Ballzy.

Well the only one who can keep it in check is....Talisman 😉. So it really wouldn't have to reach universe destruction levels. When Dark Guardian inverted the pouch the Void escaped and was said was on it's way to engulf the Earth. Another time it was inverted Shaman sucked up Newfoundland and an atomic bomb blast unleashing multiple dimensions and bringing it back to the pouch.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well then I like Talisman chances then.

Fun tidbit: Talisman punked Loki's magic when she just literally became Talisman and was a rookie.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well the only one who can keep it in check is....Talisman 😉. So it really wouldn't have to reach universe destruction levels. When Dark Guardian inverted the pouch the Void escaped and was said was on it's way to engulf the Earth. Another time it was inverted Shaman sucked up Newfoundland and an atomic bomb blast unleashing multiple dimensions and bringing it back to the pouch.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
That was just one spell though.

One powerful spell, which created Fire Fountain and the ability to turn humans into Gods:

1. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/X-Men_Alpha_Flight_002-08.jpg
2. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/X-Men_Alpha_Flight_002-09.jpg

She has even cancelled Shaman's pouch:

1. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/XMen_and_Alpha_Flight_1_17.jpg
2. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/XMen_and_Alpha_Flight_1_18.jpg

Even without the Talisman of Power [literally her first apperance] magic makes her stronger. Here she absorbs Ranaq an Elder Gods blasts

1. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight18-19.jpg
2. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight18-20.jpg
3. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight18-21.jpg
4. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight18-22.jpg

Round two

1. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight19-18.jpg
2. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight19-19.jpg

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

And how well would it work directed at Odin?

Quite well as even looking into the Void can cause insanity. Shaman cannot look inside his pouch or he to would lose his mind.
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Forgot about the handful of baubles which Shaman defeated Ranaq with

1. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight18-21.jpg

Originally posted by King_Mungi
One powerful spell, which created Fire Fountain and the ability to turn humans into Gods:

1. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/X-Men_Alpha_Flight_002-08.jpg
2. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/X-Men_Alpha_Flight_002-09.jpg

She has even cancelled Shaman's pouch:

1. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/XMen_and_Alpha_Flight_1_17.jpg
2. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/XMen_and_Alpha_Flight_1_18.jpg

Even without the Talisman of Power [literally her first apperance] magic makes her stronger. Here she absorbs Ranaq an Elder Gods blasts

1. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight18-19.jpg
2. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight18-20.jpg
3. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight18-21.jpg
4. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight18-22.jpg

Round two

1. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight19-18.jpg
2. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight19-19.jpg

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Quite well as even looking into the Void can cause insanity. Shaman cannot look inside his pouch or he to would lose his mind.
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Forgot about the handful of baubles which Shaman defeated Ranaq with

1. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight18-21.jpg

However, I'm talking about the destructive levels of it against Odin.

To be honest, I can't see that working on Odin unless he surprises Odin, like he did Ranaq.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
He also doesn't have the Odin Force to compensate. It might protect against insanity... or it might not. However, crazy Odin would be even worse me thinks. Something akin to when Infinity was unleashed.

Should have been more specific whoever looks into the Void literally loses their mind not just go insane they lose their mind basically becoming a vegetable

ie. Smart Alec

1. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AF12-13.jpg

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

However, I'm talking about the destructive levels of it against Odin.

Could literally rip him apart puting each limb into a different dimension.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist

To be honest, I can't see that working on Odin unless he surprises Odin, like he did Ranaq.

Which is definetly possible when he has to deal with Talisman
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If they want to be really cheap Shaman summons multiple copies of Talisman and himself from different timelines and realities as he did in Vol.3 with his magical coins 😛