Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Because when someone blows something up in the name of God or Allah, it's not a religious issue.😱
Oh please, that is the stupidest thing I have ever read.
Thats like saying when George Bush said that they will have a ''Crusaide'', the war in Iraq is religious issue.
Osama Bin Laden didn't randomly decide to have Jihad on America, thus its nothing to do with religion.
There are money and politics involved and Allah as been used as a means of gaining more Muslim support.
Comparing this to Crusaids for example or Ottoman empire is ridiculous. Both of these were IN THE NAME OF SPREADING Christianity and Islam.
Muslims didn't invade India randomly - they wanted to spread religion, through any means found.
Osama didnt want to ''spread'' islam in America through blowing up the Twin Towers - he wanted to prove a point/have revenge.
Re: Religious Crimes
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Spanish InquisitionSalem Witch Trials
Crusades
Near Genocide of Native Americans, Irish, and many Arab people
Pedifile Acts against Young Boys
Destruction of Twin Towers
Historical Executions of those who did not follow a Nation's religious laws
[B]Question:
Does Religion actually WORK ? Isn't one of the major goals of religion to promote Unity? What are your thoughts..... [/B]
Religion is not to blame. If there was no religion we humans would have found so other excuse. Religion is not the problem, people are the problem.
Originally posted by debbiejo
Who values you???..........You don't even know if you exist......... 😄At least my opinions have depth brawny boy.........
[edit]..........good job lil b.
No ...no they don't.
Lil b> I'd say that attack in the name of a God can be seen as religious attacks. I mean what is the difference between teh Crusades and Fundamentalist Terrorism? Matter of fact is Crusades were politics as well....Inquisition was basically politics....
[edit] But you can't really blame Religion as such for all thiose events. Mistakes were made, and they were often made in teh name of God....but if it wasn't for God it would have been for something else...Money...Patriotism ...etc.
Originally posted by debbiejo
But they use god to side the people......And YES many people believe they are doing god a favor..........
Yeah I know, but is that really the fault of Religion?
Originally posted by debbiejo
[edit] and No, no they don't......... 😉
Yeah...that's what I said...good that we agree.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah I know, but is that really the fault of Religion?Yeah...that's what I said...good that we agree.
It's not the founders of religions fault in most cases, but it has been used as a tool.........
and don't twist my words..........Mr. I don't really exist......."Prove IT'.......haha
Re: Religious Crimes
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Spanish InquisitionSalem Witch Trials
Crusades
Near Genocide of Native Americans, Irish, and many Arab people
Pedifile Acts against Young Boys
Destruction of Twin Towers
Historical Executions of those who did not follow a Nation's religious laws
[B]Question:
Does Religion actually WORK ? Isn't one of the major goals of religion to promote Unity? What are your thoughts..... [/B]
"Of all religions the Christian is without doubt the one which should inspire tolerance most, although up to now the Christians have been the most intolerant of all men." - Voltaire
Religion is a broken system and in the future I hope it becomes a thing of the past.
Originally posted by debbiejo
It's not the founders of religions fault in most cases, but it has been used as a tool.........and don't twist my words..........Mr. I don't really exist......."Prove IT'.......haha
Yeah...just like money, patriotism, race and many, many other things.
I didn't twist your words. You really said that.
Originally posted by Bardock42
No ...no they don't.Lil b> I'd say that attack in the name of a God can be seen as religious attacks. I mean what is the difference between teh Crusades and Fundamentalist Terrorism? Matter of fact is Crusades were politics as well....Inquisition was basically politics....
[edit] But you can't really blame Religion as such for all thiose events. Mistakes were made, and they were often made in teh name of God....but if it wasn't for God it would have been for something else...Money...Patriotism ...etc.
See this is where I see the differance.
The attack on Twin Towers was not motivated by religion, but by politics. Ottoman Empire was motivated by religious expantion, as were Crusaids.
Roman's for example expanded under no particular religious agenda - they simply expanded for wealth and land.
Osama used religion to attract followers ''It is us and it is them - east and west, islam and christianity, good and bad..'' etc etc etc.
I just felt THAT particular example just didn't fit in.
Religious crimes examples would be -
Murder of Theo Van Gogh few years back
Persecution of Scientists by Church
Riots and few deaths due to muhammad cartoons
Human Sacrifices
Israel/Palestine wars and the suicide bombers on both sides.
Christianity as a strong religious grounds for murder is slowly dying, imho.
"It is a just retribution for improper sexual misconduct"
[Mother Teresa, on AIDS]
"Many of those people involved with Adolph Hitler were Satanists, many of them were homosexuals--the two things seem to go together."
[Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 1/21/93, ADL report on Religious Right, page 131]
And my personal fav
"There will never be world peace until God's house and God's people are given their rightful place of leadership at the top of the world. How can there be peace when drunkards, drug dealers, communists, atheists, New Age worshipers of Satan, secular humanists, oppressive dictators, greedy moneychangers, revolutionary assassins, adulterers, and homosexuals are on top?"
[Pat Robertson, The New World Order, p. 227, Word Publishing, 1991]