Gaea vs. Phoenix

Originally posted by D-Block
Like Michael and Morningstar

Lucifers stated on panel many a time by different characters to be second only to God and it was Lucifer who ultimately prevailed in a battle with his brother in his own series last year. 😕

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nope. Youre making assumptions because the point isnt stated or demonstrated. Being the polar opposite of the Phoenix Force doesnt not equate to being its equal in power. The Watcher said it was Phoenixes opposite and then went on to elaborate by talking about Phoenixes role and goals in comparison to the First Fallens. Your viewpoint is as of this point in time completely unsupported on panel. Its speculation, please keep that in mind for future posts. 😉

Umm...polar opposite means equal but opposite, heaven and hell, day and night, light and dark, yin and yang, negative and positive, good and evil. It maintains a balance with the Phoenix. Too maintain a balance you have to have two sides that are equal. I wouldn't call it an assumption. But if you feel that the viewpoint is completely unsupported, then we'll just have to wait for more information on this "First Fallen" Entity. However I'm still interested in the host.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Umm...polar opposite means equal but opposite, heaven and hell, day and night, light and dark, yin and yang, negative and positive, good and evil. It maintains a [b]balance with the Phoenix. Too maintain a balance you have to have two sides that are equal. I wouldn't call it an assumption. But if you feel that the viewpoint is completely unsupported, then we'll just have to wait for more information on this "First Fallen" Entity. However I'm still interested in the host. [/B]

"polar opposite that which is conspicuously different in
most important respects."

As youve found out EC, words on their own dont necessarily retain the same meaning when coupled with another word, especially when forming a phrase. Youre making an assumption. The Watcher said theyre polar opposites he then went on to elaborate this phrase by talking of their roles. Again let me remind you that your opinion is as of yet, unsupported on panel. But yes i agree we will have to wait for the next issue to clarify. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
"polar opposite that which is conspicuously different in
most important respects."

As youve found out EC, words on their own dont necessarily retain the same meaning when coupled with another word, especially when forming a phrase. Youre making an assumption. The Watcher said theyre polar opposites he then went on to elaborate this phrase by talking of their roles. Again let me remind you that your opinion is as of yet, unsupported on panel. But yes i agree we will have to wait for the next issue to clarify. 🙂

Your definition, is my point exactly. "Different in most important respects"

As in Role. It doesn't mean one is superior to the other as they are extreme opposites.

And again to maintain a balance both sides have to be equal. Anyway, I'll wait till the next issue, I think the release date is in June.(Not sure if it's worth buying though, Uncanny has been really bad as of lately). Who do you think the host will be Jamie Braddock?(Hopefully not)

gaea is above skyfathers by leagues since she levitated thors hammer even though odin made it so only thor would pick it up but phoenix is more powerful

even if the the first fallen is equal to Phoenix, he has fallen short as she keeps perpetuating the universe.

Originally posted by LordKaos
even if the the first fallen is equal to Phoenix, he has fallen short as she keeps perpetuating the universe.

That's balance for you.

Gaea's also been bound by Dormammu before.

As far as First Fallen or Fallen One or whatever he is...

Claremont just can't resist making the Phoenix mythos even more complicated, can he? If Marvel wants to expound on something that is so fundamental to the MU, why not treat it in a decent mini sans X-Men and the like? Instead we get the Phoenix whose power is second only to that of the creator all of a sudden having a "polar opposite" that really only describes an aspect of Phoenix.

Next thing you know, we'll learn that this new character is only one of her "shards."

Gaea has had her essence infused with the actual Earth for so long, that destroying it would probably be the end of her anyway.

And what happened to the Dark Phoenix aspects of Phoenix (Chaos bringer) being the antithesis of Phoenix?

Originally posted by LordKaos
even if the the first fallen is equal to Phoenix, he has fallen short as she keeps perpetuating the universe.

I thought about this, and just realized that he hasn't fallen short. His role is to distrupt the cycle of life and death. Which means he either:

1. Ends all life forever
or
2 Maintains all life forever.

And when you think about it there are immortal beings in the MU. So he has done his job in a way.(A bad job but he has done it none the less.)

Yeah CC really complicated the Phoenix Aspect.

His job is to end all death and rebirth, to keep the cycle from moving. In essence if it were up to him there would have only been one universe after the initial big bang with no end.

Originally posted by LordKaos
His job is to end all death and rebirth, to keep the cycle from moving. In essence if it were up to him there would have only been one universe after the initial big bang with no end.

Well then he's done a really bad job. He's most probably a slacker. 😄

lol i agree.

oh that's only cause you see destruction as power
and by the looks of it you're about to be destroyed so i guess you get your dream come true