heres most of the stuff I have:
Definition of Omega Level Mutant:
http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever3p203wr.jpg
Iceman survives even after the sentinals detect him as terminated and getting even the mousture off them:
http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever5p02and033eo.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforeverdrake24dz.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforeverdrake32cy.jpg
Existing as a part of everything while freezing a Celestial Ship:
http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever5p192kj.jpg
http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever5p208wl.jpg
http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever5p217vf.jpg
http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever5p227kd.jpg
more iceman unfreezing certain parts without really looking:
http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever6p231pp.jpg
http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever6p245wn.jpg
rippin mouisture out of someone:
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iceman13gv.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iceman20rs.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iceman32ns.jpg
and YES he froze the stranger....
http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever6p268ua.jpg
explaination of his powers:
http://www.thekeep.org/~tls/omega-bob.htm
Originally posted by Milkie
There you go TheKahnEverything me and Accel posted is from the Thor Respect Thread go check it out for yourself.
Yes, the scans that Accel posted were quite interesting, however I'm not sure if some of them apply in this fight. There were several scans showing Thor absorbing energy from other "godly" or "mystically" powered beings so I don't know if it is safe to assume that he could do something similar to the mutant-powered Iceman (as he really doesn't have any mystical or godly energy to absorb in the first place).
Also, the issue of Thor being able to absorb or transfer souls is also a bit dubious to me. I do not think it has ever been shown that Thor can use the soul transportation ability of Mjolnir in an offensive capacity. It seems likely in the scans shown that he vampire creature had removed the souls (b/c as a rule good-guys tend not to steal souls) and Thor was only transporting them back to their "owners." Now if there is a feat where Thor removes the soul of a being and does something to it, then that is a different story.
All that being said, I still haven't seen a reason why Iceman couldn't manipulate the water molecules in Thor's body, or an explanation of how Thor will actually kill or incapacitate Bobby in some way. Simple explosions won't work and as the scan on the first page shows Iceman can freeze the blood of an individual almost instantly.
Originally posted by crucifixio
Since when is Thor ultra powerful? At his maximum level attainable he would only be equal to Odin. Who was killed meaning that Thor is in fact not immortal. Iceman can control water down to a molecular level. Water which is the meaning of all life in existence. His power is potential COSMIC level, way above Thor or any in the pantheon of Earth's "gods".
Surely you jest.
Originally posted by Mindship
If one can take a single-power person, like Iceman, to the Nth degree, such that he defeats the Stranger (and, btw, could he consistently beat the Stranger? doubtful, unless the Stranger is an idiot to the Nth degree), then imagine taking a multiple-power individual, like Thor, to the Nth degree.All else being equal, Iceman--while having the potential to defeat Thor--is Not Thor's superior.
Thor 8/10.
Perhaps I should make myself clearer as I'm most definitely not trying to argue that Iceman is Thor's superior by any stretch of the imagination. My thought is that Iceman's single power, much like say telepathy, could grant a character a victory over a superior opponent, if and only if, that opponent doesn't have any effective defenses against it. And I honestly don't think that you would have to push Iceman very far past his normal operating parameters for him to use the types of attacks I'm proposing against Thor.
For example, I still haven't heard a good argument explaining why Iceman couldn't affect the water in Thor's body as he has done to others. Iceman doesn't seem to need very long to implement these attacks and they would have decidedly negative effects on Thor's fighting ability.
Add these to Iceman's ability to transfer his consciousness and any non-telepathic opponent would have trouble with him. Now I'm certainly willing to reconsider my position if issues like these can be addressed.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Perhaps I should make myself clearer as I'm most definitely not trying to argue that Iceman is Thor's superior by any stretch of the imagination. My thought is that Iceman's single power, much like say telepathy, could grant a character a victory over a superior opponent, if and only if, that opponent doesn't have any effective defenses against it. And I honestly don't think that you would have to push Iceman very far past his normal operating parameters for him to use the types of attacks I'm proposing against Thor.
This is why I say Iceman has the potential to defeat Thor. And frankly, Thor has such an incredible array of powers (which, in itself, is kinda strange, given that 90% of them have nothing to do with summoning storms, but c'est la vie), that I'm not sure he doesn't have an effective defense. I wish I knew that web address which lists all those powers (Thor fans probably know).
Originally posted by Mindship
This is why I say Iceman has the potential to defeat Thor. And frankly, Thor has such an incredible array of powers (which, in itself, is kinda strange, given that 90% of them have nothing to do with summoning storms, but c'est la vie), that I'm not sure he doesn't have an effective defense. I wish I knew that web address which lists all those powers (Thor fans probably know).
Ask and you shall receive 😉
http://www.comicboards.com/thor/view.php?trd=040224214306&q=oliv
