Originally posted by nimrod009what has he ever shown to make us think so highly of him????, nothing....the man is so damn overrated, i think that a fully determined collossus and thing, can give him a match, and if she hulk cant get pumped up enough, she can tilt the scales.
What makes you say that? I'll admit the fist-fight scenario makes it much more difficult for him, but I still reckon he pulls it off more often than not.
There ya go 😛
I don't remember if it was in the back of one of the Annihilation books, or the recent Marvel Universe Handbook, under the entry 'Forgotten One' (I thought they were talking about Gilgamesh) but apparently the She-Hulk feat does count as they mention that after her first thrashing by Champion, she pumped up and returned to beat him down to stop him from murdering all of the denizens of his latest world.
The rules of the Champion fight seem to mirror the ones in the first post and by those rules Champion stomped Gladiator (along with several other heavy weights including BRB IIRC) prior to Shulkie being brought in...which seems to mean that she can beat him single-handedly. That and Colossus is no punk either.
Glads has been more than a match for Thor on several occasions. Yet you're saying She Hulk alone could beat him down? The stipulations make this tricky for Glads, but seriously, he's stronger than the three combined and much much much faster.
This is a character that has stood up to TYRANT. No way are three earth heroes gonna take him down.
There was a guy I can't remember his name took down Human Torch including Nova Blast and She Hulk and Mr Fantastic and then Thing beat the hell out of him.Umbra Jaagur was his name. http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/umbra.htm