Originally posted by jollyjim311
Why? Because you want him to? He is a good duelist, but so is Anakin. Anakin has shown to be a better force user. Why does Ulic win? Links? Examples?... Anything?
Because his Sith amulet alone would wtfpwn Anakin any day. A casual blast was enough to put Nomi Sunrider on the ground while she was using battle meditation to help her to defend against Aleema's Sith magic. And the only offensive force powers Anakin can use "controlled" are push and choke.
Then Ulic had so much physical strength that it took 3 people with force support to hold him on the ground and his saber abilities weren't only enough to stalemate with Kun - no, he managed to keep up with an enraged Jedi when he didn't have his force powers any longer. How many non-force users have you seen being able to stalemate Jedi in melee combat ?
Ulic would defeat Anakin. Not really easily but he will finally do it.
Originally posted by Borbarad
Because his Sith amulet alone would wtfpwn Anakin any day. A casual blast was enough to put Nomi Sunrider on the ground while she was using battle meditation to help her to defend against Aleema's Sith magic. And the only offensive force powers Anakin can use "controlled" are push and choke.Then Ulic had so much physical strength that it took 3 people with force support to hold him on the ground and his saber abilities weren't only enough to stalemate with Kun - no, he managed to keep up with an enraged Jedi when he didn't have his force powers any longer. How many non-force users have you seen being able to stalemate Jedi in melee combat ?
Ulic would defeat Anakin. Not really easily but he will finally do it.
I'm not sure I will be able to find the quote but I'm pretty sure you once said that the jedi in Kun's era didn't rely on the force in saber duels as much as pt jedi. My point is how can we trust your opinions when you constantly change them?
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Because Ulic knew how to master and control the amulet? And would use it in a duel? Because his physical strength will mean a thing to someone who could outmanuever Durge?
Obviously he knew how to use it when he had it in his hands for the first time - it's not really hard to use it. And you really want to compared Durge to a force user with great physical strength who was able to stalemate Jedi in combat without having his force powers ? Not really...
Nomi was roughly around Leia's level around the DE/EE era
Lmao, Lightsnake. You can't be serious. Nomi picked up a lightsaber before having any training and started handling the weapon like a master immediatly (stated by the omniscient narrator). She has mastered battle meditation, the "force block" thing and several other techniques and you can see her deflecting blaster bolts with her bare hands during the Freedon Nadd Uprising. Not to mention that she became the leader of the Jedi order 4 years later. And that is "around Leia's level in DE" ? Hilarious...
Did you know that when Luke first got the lightsaber from the legendairy obi wan kenobi he immediately handled it like a master also? He was immediately better than Mace Windu, Yoda and the Sidious noob. That's why Yoda doesn't decide to face Vader, Luke was immediately a master like Nomi Sunrider.
This is how it all happens in the SW universe.
If you mean 'knew how to use it' as 'activated it in a moment of irrational rage' than ok. And 'stalemate?' Ulic deactivated his saber and told Sylvar he wouldn't fight her. If she was fighting witha clear head, he'd be left bleeding his life out on the snow. And Ulic's 'great physical strength' compares to a Gen'dai who can lift and punch through spaceships? Just try to say Ulic is stronger physically than Durge, Y'know, the seven foot tall guy with every fiber of his being having the power to crush a man's skull with bare minimal effort. Point is: Durge is far, far stronger than any human and Anakin outmanuevered him. Ulic's 'physical strength' won't mean a thing.
What's even more hilarious is it's said directly by Vima da Boda that Leia's hit the level of the Sunriders. Leia's also mastered battle meditation, is described as extremely powerful, among other things...she also defeats a millenia old Jedi in a saber duel some years later. Leia's also able to match Luke with a saber for a small time.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
If you mean 'knew how to use it' as 'activated it in a moment of irrational rage' than ok.
You mean the sister amulet of Kun's who feeds on the users dark feelings (hate ? rage ?). Kun can figure out how to use his amulets in seconds but Ulic can't do it in months of time ?
And 'stalemate?' Ulic deactivated his saber and told Sylvar he wouldn't fight her. If she was fighting witha clear head, he'd be left bleeding his life out on the snow.
He fought her over what amount of time ? Minutes ? And proof that he would have lost if Sylvar was fighting with a clear head. The same way I can say Sylvar would have been killed if Ulic's intention would have been to kill her. By the way...somehow "rage" makes all people stronger in the SW universe (Anakin, Luke in ROTJ) but Sylvar is weakened because of that ?
And Ulic's 'great physical strength' compares to a Gen'dai who can lift and punch through spaceships? Just try to say Ulic is stronger physically than Durge, Y'know, the seven foot tall guy with every fiber of his being having the power to crush a man's skull with bare minimal effort. Point is: Durge is far, far stronger than any human and Anakin outmanuevered him. Ulic's 'physical strength' won't mean a thing.
Yes. Anakin outmanuevered him. Would Anakin be able to do the same thing to a much more agile opponent who is able to use the force ? Hardly. Especially considering the facts that he had his ass handed to Asajj and Dooku when he was not utilizing his anger. Now please - how would he be able to defeat a Sith Lord who was a master duellist on his own and had an amulet to boost up his force powers so much that even a known Dark Side Witch (Aleema) was impressed by those powers when he wasn't able to overcome Obi-Wan on Mustafar (force and saber wise) ?
What's even more hilarious is it's said directly by Vima da Boda that Leia's hit the level of the Sunriders.
Oh. Were can that be found, hmm ?
Leia's also mastered battle meditation, is described as extremely powerful, among other things...she also defeats a millenia old Jedi in a saber duel some years later. Leia's also able to match Luke with a saber for a small time.
Yes. She mastered battle meditation so much that she couldn't do anything in the duel between Luke and Sidious in DE right ? Either take anything you beloved sourcebooks say as canon or stop arguing with them. And the "millenia old Jedi" was a Hutt. Wow...a Hutt. They are totally known for their agility, speed and combat skills, right ? And she can match Luke with a saber for a small amount of time ? That small amount must be expressed in "milliseconds", right ?
Unlike Kun, Ulic is using it in a moment of irrational rage and the effects are rather different. Rather visibly different. Ulic hasn't 'surrendered to the darkside' for one.
Being stronger is one thing, but it doesn't mean a thing if you can't focus, like Anakin in ROTS.
Durge can't manuever? He was moving faster than trained Jedi masters could perceive, and add that to him flying in between shots of Clone commandos, including ARCS firing. He's big and he's agile, it's why he was such a nightmare to the Jedi....and this is ROTS Vader, not little Ani...the Vader who destroyed Asajj and Dooku. And considering Padme and Obi-wan won't be involved, I don't think we need to worry about Anakin losing it. So, the much more powerful Anakin simply uses Djem So and crushes Ulic's defenses. And when did Ulic use his sith amulets in his fights? And considering Ulic can be an irrational idiot as well, I'd say it fits fine, especially considering Anakin outmatched and crushed down Dooku.
Empire's End, btw. And Power of the Jedi. And Insider.
Gee, Leia was only powerless to interfere between two men described as 'titans' who were causing nearby imperials to drop down dead and catatonic...yes, that's...such a mark against Leia. And Beldarian the Splendid...to quote 'the old hutt was all fire and sinew and slithered after Leia with the speed of lightning'..Planet of Twilight even described how Beld was far bigger, stronger and much, much faster than a normal hutt.