Yes. Definately.
Vader would prevail without the FORCE POWERS. He is trained to fight with the saber by Kenobi, who isn't a bad duelist. Then again, Sidious can do go face to face with Yoda, but Anakin can outduel Dooku.
Heck... Its like setting up a fight: WW2 germany vs WW1 France. No artillery and no aircrafts. No handgrenades and the machineguns cant shoot more than 4 bullets in a row. + French have red helmets and germans cant use bayonets. + Tanks cant use machineguns, aircrafts cant land, infantry cant swim and the submarines cant dive. Fight!
Vader without suit vs sidious
you're all wrong!
vader/anakin after ROTS and without his suit would beat sidious. if you know your star wars back story you know this is the case.....why?
from the moment palpatine knew of his master's plans of total domination (his idea to create a child from the force as part of his powers to end/create life as stated in ROTS)....palpatine knew that an anakin person would exist at some point, a force-created super force-sensitive human. when he meets anakin in Episode1😛M he can sense that anakin is the same boy (we are told he had no father....adding to the fact he was concieved through the force)
palpatine's whole list of apprentices has been part of a long path to eventually rule the galaxy with anakin....if as some people have suggested, maul or tyrannus had superior skills to anakin, palpatine would not have put his senate-friendly persona in so many dangerous situations (like getting kidknapped). he knew that anakin was the strongest apprentice he could have!!
Lucas has hinted, if not blatantly said in interviews, anakin is the chosen one, and if he had not been an ignorant sh*t-head, and lost to obi-wan, would have become more powerful than palpatine/sidious. because he is in the suit, he would lose and thus has to accept being number 2 to sidious.
without a suit...he would have shown himself to be the most powerful force-wielderer ever.
i know most of you will say "oh no what an idiot.....he knows nothing" but the fact of the matter is, anakin/vader is the most powerful force-wielderer ever....he is just stuck in a suit to keep him on a leesh
Vader beats Sidious
Sidious beats Maul and Tyrannus 2 on 1
Assuming that Anakin is at RotS level and isn't suffering from arrogance induced stupidity, as he tends to do when it becomes personal, I'd give this one to Anakin. When he's in "teh zone", there aren't many people on Anakin's level. NOTE: That doesn't mean he's going to win easily. This note is because, for some reason or another, at least one person always seems to think that I'm saying something I'm not (I say that Anakin might take it, suddenly someone thinks I'm saying Anakin>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sidious with no effort at all).
Now, add Force Powers, and Sidious wins with no challenge. Make it potential Anakin, Anakin wins without a challenge.
Originally posted by Manslayer
Wrong.Full potential anakin would own sidious
Does this come from Lucas saying that Anakin would have been twice as powerful as Sidious? If this is true, then I think that I have to accept it.
I would like to point out that this guy does not exist though, so it is a moot point.
Arguing out hypothetical scenarios is good within reason, but people seem to take it too far with Anakin.
Edit: I have noticed that many refer to Anakin being unstoppable when he is focused. But what good is that if he is inherently arrogant? It is good in the sense that it will help him win major battles (in theory), but it also means that he is vulnerable to stupid mistakes against those he, on another day, could have bested.
Originally posted by Light_Sith
Does this come from Lucas saying that Anakin would have been twice as powerful as Sidious? If this is true, then I think that I have to accept it.I would like to point out that this guy does not exist though, so it is a moot point.
Arguing out hypothetical scenarios is good within reason, but people seem to take it too far with Anakin.
I'm gonna have to point it at that u said any version anakin real or hypothetical loses to sidious which is not true as full potential anakin equals full potential luke who in turn beats sidious
Originally posted by Darth Hord
I'm gonna have to point it at that u said any version anakin real or hypothetical loses to sidious which is not true as full potential anakin equals full potential luke who in turn beats sidious
I made a quick edit after realising that.
He COULD beat Sidious, but even being technically more powerful does not guarantee it.
Originally posted by Darth Hord
agreed as in the mustafar duel when anakin is more powerful than kenobi but still loses
I have a question about that duel.
Anakin is shown to have a stronger bond to the force in TPM when Qui-Gon gives him a blood test.
In the duel, when there is a blatant opportunity to show Anakin's superiority in the Force (the two try to push each other with the force), it ends in a stalemate.
I have heard that in earlier Scripts Anakin displayed his supposed superior power more fully.
Is this just bad writing on Lucas' part?
Originally posted by Light_Sith
I have a question about that duel.Anakin is shown to have a stronger bond to the force in TPM when Qui-Gon gives him a blood test.
In the duel, when there is a blatant opportunity to show Anakin's superiority in the Force (the two try to push each other with the force), it ends in a stalemate.
I have heard that in earlier Scripts Anakin displayed his supposed superior power more fully.
Is this just bad writing on Lucas' part?
that scene was more for the drama being as their hands almost touching was to show how close they were and how they are so far apart now and all that type of sh*t
I have read Hayden say they did that scene like that, just to show that Anakin and Kenobi were doing the exact same thing at the same time, where it was like fighting yourself. And in such a long fight if Kenobi had just gone flying across the room while Anakin was standing there just would not make that much sense, i guess.
Originally posted by Light_SithCorrection you said any incarnation of anakin and you did not specify which.
Does this come from Lucas saying that Anakin would have been twice as powerful as Sidious? If this is true, then I think that I have to accept it.I would like to point out that this guy does not exist though, so it is a moot point.
Arguing out hypothetical scenarios is good within reason, but people seem to take it too far with Anakin.
Originally posted by Light_SithJust specify next time. Yes sidious beats any incarnation of anakin except for full potential anakin.
Yes, I made a mistake and acknowledged it with an edit.Easy mistake to make since people make too many allowances for Anakin in these match ups IMO.
Btw i hope your not who i think you are
Originally posted by Manslayer
Just specify next time. Yes sidious beats any incarnation of anakin except for full potential anakin.Btw i hope your not who i think you are
On most forums I have been on there are many accusations of people having aliases.
If you are worried then check with the Admin or Mod's. They should be able to verify things.
i think it has to be agreed upon that anakin at full potential is the most powerful jedi that ever lived. sidious and yoda are pretty much the mirror image of each other......the good and bad extremes of the force (i know yoda loses a battle in ROTS but he is very very old, and he had to lose so the plot could go on to episodes 4,5,6).
in episode 1 we find out the connection to the force anakin has is stronger than yoda's....so we can assume he at full potential could have beaten yoda and sidious.
obviously anakin in ROTS isnt anakin at his full potential, he hasnt learnt enough about the force, and his hot-headed. also as vader he isnt at his full potential because he is in a damn suit!!!
we never see anakin at his full potential but we know that he would be the most pwerful ever if he had ever reached it.
off topic here.....i have wondered why mace windu, one of the most pwerful jedis ever, didnt return to kenobi as a vision like qui-gon and yoda did? he didnt even appear to luke. he would have been a good influence to defeat the empire surely, seeing as he defeated sidious (before anakin interferred). any thoughts??????