I think that Ratner completely fumbled the ball with Jean Grey and the entire Phoenix story. It was senseless. That was not the Phoenix of the comics for sure. And, all she did was stand around looking menacing. She was effectively a non-character in the film. X3 is a perfect example of painting with strokes that are far too broad too far-reaching. Ratner needed to pick a story and stick with it, instead he tried to tell like five stories at once. This diluted the Phoenix saga. In fact, it was not even a saga... it was a footnote.
Originally posted by The PictThe 'cocoon' idea is from the original X-Men stories, when it was revealed that Jean Grey had survived the shuttle crash, and was sealed in a cocoon formed by the Phoenix Force. She was at the bottom of the lake/ river in New York I think, the Jean that had died was a replicated body, formed by the Phoenix force, that was Phoenix II and she apparently sacrificed herself blal blah blah.
there wasn't a coherent reason for the pheonix, I know that the movies don't follow the comics to a T but why completely change the concept? The telekinesis cocoon and split personality idea is pretty lame.
And Phoenix pretty much was described as split personality, as two people existing inside the body, or ever three maybe {Jean, Phoenix and Dark Phoenix} Dark Phoenix being the darker more powerful side without morals. I thought that it was explained quite well, because the films are aimed for a wider audience so they couldn't really say it was a 'cosmic entity' because it wouldn't really sound as plausible as her darker side being released from the mind by her apparent 'death'. Besides if they included the 'Phoenix Force' as such, then they fan boys would all be clamouring for the Shi'ar, Firelord and all that. It would have confused things.
Originally posted by subgenius
I think that Ratner completely fumbled the ball with Jean Grey and the entire Phoenix story. It was senseless. That was not the Phoenix of the comics for sure. And, all she did was stand around looking menacing. She was effectively a non-character in the film. X3 is a perfect example of painting with strokes that are far too broad too far-reaching. Ratner needed to pick a story and stick with it, instead he tried to tell like five stories at once. This diluted the Phoenix saga. In fact, it was not even a saga... it was a footnote.
The point was change Phoenix from being a cosmic entity into a powerful character. He wanted to make her more realistic by putting her on a more human scale. For me it worked, I loved his representation of Phoenix. I agree that it seemed like too many things were happening at once, but I think they were all handled effectively
Originally posted by marvelprince
The point was change Phoenix from being a cosmic entity into a powerful character. He wanted to make her more realistic by putting her on a more human scale. For me it worked, I loved his representation of Phoenix. I agree that it seemed like too many things were happening at once, but I think they were all handled effectively
i agree. i cant look at jean the same now
I heard that on this movie or the next.that some object would be floating on top of Jeans tomb and the coffin would be empty..maybe the good phoenix will bring her back like in the cartoons and Jean would control her power now and be strong...or Dark Phoenix will control her and rage upon everyone and everything killing all.Thats just an idea though...maybe apoclypes and Dark Phoenix will fihgt for the crown on the next movie.
Maybe their saving the firebird for the nextmovie. You only see the firbird when she uses the Phoenix Force or uses her powers at a massive level. I dont know about yall but ididnt see/hear a phoenix force cry or see her powers used massivly. Yes she used her powers at the fullist but not to where she was struggling.
Originally posted by Fiann@I didn't actually say if X3 should have portrayed Phoenix as a fiery for or not.
That would be a good point if Bryan Singer had actually directed X3.It would be harder to explain Jean manifesting flames than just kind of glowing and going all veiny.
I was just stating an observation and I even said "If Bryan Singer had made X3".
So I'd say it's a good point all around.
is it comprehensible.....
I think on the next x-man the DARK PHOENIX should be the villian. Cuz this phoenix was a little to nice. The next DARK PHOENIX should be ruthless like in the cartoons. Then in the end there should be a scene were (after jean destroys the dark phoenix) a powerful mutant is growing under the earth . It would be Apoclypes. then there would be an x5..
Maybe its just me but, on the cartoons the Dark Phoenix was way more evil than the one on the movie. I mean tons way more evil. Yeah Jean killed proff.x's body but thats it. The dark Phoenix would have ate his soul and claimed the lives of the rest of the x-men. Killing anything in its path. Like she says "i hungur for more destruction" she loves to kill and destroy. This Phoenix stould by most of the time. I bet anything on the next movie there will be another or dark phoenix..either the next movie or the on after..but they should make another.
I think they didn't give Phoenix the flame aura, so that people who don't know a lot about the Xmen would not confuse her powers with Pyro. He controls fire, she's uses fire as a power signature, then comments like "Hey I thought she could move things and read minds, now she can manipulate fire, I thought that was that Pyro guys power this movie sucks!" would arise. When she stands on the vehicle and the fire flares up behind her, it's sharp and can be likened to a beak. Dark Phoenix in the cartoon was more interested in the sensastions she got from causeing chaos, she even commented that the sensation was lessened when her opponent was weak, which explained to me why she didn't just vaporized them she was having fun, she was like a kid in an evil candy store.
Originally posted by LordKaos
I think they didn't give Phoenix the flame aura, so that people who don't know a lot about the Xmen would not confuse her powers with Pyro. He controls fire, she's uses fire as a power signature, then comments like "Hey I thought she could move things and read minds, now she can manipulate fire, I thought that was that Pyro guys power this movie sucks!" would arise. When she stands on the vehicle and the fire flares up behind her, it's sharp and can be likened to a beak. Dark Phoenix in the cartoon was more interested in the sensastions she got from causeing chaos, she even commented that the sensation was lessened when her opponent was weak, which explained to me why she didn't just vaporized them she was having fun, she was like a kid in an evil candy store.
What's an "evil candy store"?
Wouldn't "candy store" sufficed since you're just talking about a kid?
is it comprehensible.....