why is everyone arguing iceman? The problem here is having phoenix around. The regular x-men have never have a prayer against the JLA. Flash cold clocks everyone with human druability and superman destroys the rest a milisecond later. X-men can't fight the lightspeed speedblitzes. They have enough trouble with quicksilver. So the question is whether the speedblitz will work on jean. If she comes into the fight already a mass of flaming psionic stuff, then no it probably won't work and she goes destoryer of the galaxy on the JLA. If she just walks in regular ol' jean, then she can't think fast enough before big blue or flash plows a fist into her head.
Originally posted by cheap cabbageDon't forget that the Phoenix is susceptible to psychic manipulation (Proff X stopped her , mastermind controlled her mind and made her join the hellfire club). The Martian Man-hunter is a telepathic, he made Joker sane for a time, he was able to purge Max Lord from Superman's mind, surely he could use the Phoenix against the rest of the X-Men or at least subdue her powers long enough for WW or Supes to get in close for a K.O., so the problem truly is having the Phoenix around.
why is everyone arguing iceman? The problem here is having phoenix around. The regular x-men have never have a prayer against the JLA. Flash cold clocks everyone with human druability and superman destroys the rest a milisecond later. X-men can't fight the lightspeed speedblitzes. They have enough trouble with quicksilver. So the question is whether the speedblitz will work on jean. If she comes into the fight already a mass of flaming psionic stuff, then no it probably won't work and she goes destoryer of the galaxy on the JLA. If she just walks in regular ol' jean, then she can't think fast enough before big blue or flash plows a fist into her head.
Originally posted by Mr. Universe
lol these dc fanboys still vote for the JLA even with Phoenix there. they will say anything for their beloved JLA to win.
Not true. ❌ I think that because of Jean the X-Men would win. I was simply saying that it wouldn't go the way diabloman was suggesting. All the X-Men are non-factors but Phoenix btw.
Originally posted by batdude123
Not true. ❌ I think that because of Jean the X-Men would win. I was simply saying that it wouldn't go the way diabloman was suggesting. All the X-Men are non-factors but Phoenix btw.
Originally posted by Tank_6603
Don't forget that the Phoenix is susceptible to psychic manipulation (Proff X stopped her , mastermind controlled her mind and made her join the hellfire club). The Martian Man-hunter is a telepathic, he made Joker sane for a time he was able to purge Max Lord from Superman's mind, surely he could use the Phoenix against the rest of the X-Men or at least subdue her powers long enough for WW or Supes to get in close for a K.O., so the problem truly is having the Phoenix around.
Phoenix was manipulated by professor X and the hellfire club when jean was brand new at the phoenix thing. She's stabilized by now and likely far less suceptiple to these kinds of things. Besides, she's a big bird shaped fire-ish thingy. MM pisses himself (do martians piss?) and hids behind superman. MM isn't that strong of a telepath anyway. Him being on xavier level is bull. He didn't purge Lord from superman's mind, WW did it when she broke Lord's neck. MM only detected that it was Max's doing. It doesn't matter anyway, the JLA has superman. It's impossible for him to lose to any marvel character. The DC people put a bomb in Stan Lee's head that explodes if Superman loses.
Originally posted by cheap cabbage
Phoenix was manipulated by professor X and the hellfire club when jean was brand new at the phoenix thing. She's stabilized by now and likely far less suceptiple to these kinds of things. Besides, she's a big bird shaped fire-ish thingy. MM pisses himself (do martians piss?) and hids behind superman. MM isn't that strong of a telepath anyway. Him being on xavier level is bull. He didn't purge Lord from superman's mind, WW did it when she broke Lord's neck. MM only detected that it was Max's doing.
Martian Manhunter isn't a strong telepath? Now THAT is bull. Are talking about the same Martian Manhunter who patrols the entire planet with his mind? 🤨
Originally posted by Big Sexy
I can't say on Bobby. I have not read much about him but people in these forums state he is a factor also. But personally I couldnt tell you
If nobody can take out Bobby when he's a big pile of nothing, then MM would find his consciousness and make him think he was a chicken or something.
Originally posted by cheap cabbageHe did relinquish Max Lord's hold on superman for a time, he subdued superman the first time, Then supes went crazy Again and WW broke Max's neck like two issues later. MM isn't afraid of fire anymore and is invulnerable to psychic fire now, the same kind of fire that the phoenix generates and if you really wanna go there with the ultimate power thing then MM turns into FERNUS AND DESTROYS THE MARVEL UNIVERSE IN AN ASEXUAL REPRODUCING AND EXPONENTIALLY MULTIPLYING REIN OF HELLFIRE!!! btw the phoenix is still suceptable to telepathic attacks, she just hasn't had anyone attack her in a long time.
Phoenix was manipulated by professor X and the hellfire club when jean was brand new at the phoenix thing. She's stabilized by now and likely far less suceptiple to these kinds of things. Besides, she's a big bird shaped fire-ish thingy. MM pisses himself (do martians piss?) and hids behind superman. MM isn't that strong of a telepath anyway. Him being on xavier level is bull. He didn't purge Lord from superman's mind, WW did it when she broke Lord's neck. MM only detected that it was Max's doing.