Originally posted by ThePittman
Well there have been several times when the X-Men have beaten opponents without their powers; one example is Genoshia with the suppressing collars and some other times in Mojo’s universe. I give DS a lot of credit but one of the problems is that he would have to knock out all their powers at once because the others would be alerted to the problem right off the bat. I may be wrong but the technology that is used to suppress the x-gene is not an area affect weapon so he would have to tag each one with a collar or similar device.With the stipulations of the contract he is only given a week and he would have to acquire all of this technology and also learn the powers and weakness of each target as well as how to bypass the mansions security systems and Wolverines nose.
The mutant nullifer can have an area effect if needed. For heaven's sake, let's use some imagination. Slade tinkers with it a bit.
There's noone in the X-Mansion who can challenge Slade while they're powerless. Wolverine? Gets shot. Kitty Pryde? Gets stabbed. Unless Iron Fist and Spider-Man are visiting the school, they all die.
Originally posted by Draco69I am using my imagination quite a bit, however many smarter people then DS has worked on the collar and if it was that easy every Sentnel would have one, DS is smart but not that smart. The only way that he can get it done is by rendering them powerless all at once, if that doesn’t work then he doesn’t stand a chance.
The mutant nullifer can have an area effect if needed. For heaven's sake, let's use some imagination. Slade tinkers with it a bit.There's noone in the X-Mansion who can challenge Slade while they're powerless. Wolverine? Gets shot. Kitty Pryde? Gets stabbed. Unless Iron Fist and Spider-Man are visiting the school, they all die.
In reality if Slade played it smart he really wouldn't have to much trouble if you ask me. All he would need is some info on them. The X-Mansions defences really shouldn't pose a problem to Slade if someone could list all of them I could make a sounder judgement on it but if most defences shouldn't give Slade a problem.
He would probably go in at night when everyone is asleep. Knowing about Wolverine's nose he could easily spray himself with a different scent or a strong scent that overloads Wolcerine's smell. Really the two dealiest people here for Slade is Kitty because of her phasing. Nightcralwer would be the second one becuase of his teleporting. Lathough with the sound precedeing it Slade should be able to react to it.
Nothing to bad simply sneak into their rooms and kill them in their sleep. If that should wake everyone else up he is fast enough and has enough weapons to put them down easily in the confines of a building.
With the telepathy blocking helmet he will have no problems with Emma and Xavier.
That if he does it smart if he just busts in with them all awake then it is a toss up.
Slade should be able to put down the lesser ones with human durability like Storm and Cyke rather easily.
Kitty would posse the biggest problem although Slade's weapons are DCs adamantium. Since Kitty has a weakness to Adamantium his sword and staff could effect her. If it doesn'y Kitty likely puts DS down by herself.
Nightcrawler is next b/c of teleporting but like I said with the sound telling Slade where nightcrawler appears and being faster he could put him down as soon as NC came close. Everyone else with a mix of long range attack and H2H should go down easily enough.
Originally posted by newjak86
In reality if Slade played it smart he really wouldn't have to much trouble if you ask me. All he would need is some info on them. The X-Mansions defences really shouldn't pose a problem to Slade if someone could list all of them I could make a sounder judgement on it but if most defences shouldn't give Slade a problem.He would probably go in at night when everyone is asleep. Knowing about Wolverine's nose he could easily spray himself with a different scent or a strong scent that overloads Wolcerine's smell. Really the two dealiest people here for Slade is Kitty because of her phasing. Nightcralwer would be the second one becuase of his teleporting. Lathough with the sound precedeing it Slade should be able to react to it.
Nothing to bad simply sneak into their rooms and kill them in their sleep. If that should wake everyone else up he is fast enough and has enough weapons to put them down easily in the confines of a building.
With the telepathy blocking helmet he will have no problems with Emma and Xavier.
That if he does it smart if he just busts in with them all awake then it is a toss up.
Slade should be able to put down the lesser ones with human durability like Storm and Cyke rather easily.
Kitty would posse the biggest problem although Slade's weapons are DCs adamantium. Since Kitty has a weakness to Adamantium his sword and staff could effect her. If it doesn'y Kitty likely puts DS down by herself.Nightcrawler is next b/c of teleporting but like I said with the sound telling Slade where nightcrawler appears and being faster he could put him down as soon as NC came close. Everyone else with a mix of long range attack and H2H should go down easily enough.
The TP blocking helmet will only cloak him from the Telepathic Radar, if Slades cover is blown or he bursts in he immediately gets mind-wiped, by Emma, she has shown the ability to mind-jack TP blockers in X-Men DG#2.
The mutant nullifer is his best option.
Originally posted by ThePittman
I am using my imagination quite a bit, however many smarter people then DS has worked on the collar and if it was that easy every Sentnel would have one, DS is smart but not that smart. The only way that he can get it done is by rendering them powerless all at once, if that doesn’t work then he doesn’t stand a chance.
Stryker used a wide-area mutant nullifer numerous times. The reason Sentinels have them is because of our enormous budget defecit and because the purpose of Sentinels is for the X-Men to have something to smash in order to relenquish their rage issues.
In other words, PIS. Every mutant would be dead by now.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Thread Starter also stated what Slade has on him......But if getting a mutant nullifier is allowed then it evens the playing field quite a bit
True but slaughtering a few villains in New York will eventually lead him to what he needs. The beauty of the black market...
Originally posted by ExodusCloakThe thread starter stated that it blocked all TP attacks but if it doesn't then Slade goes down hard.
The TP blocking helmet will only cloak him from the Telepathic Radar, if Slades cover is blown or he bursts in he immediately gets mind-wiped, by Emma, she has shown the ability to mind-jack TP blockers in X-Men DG#2.
The mutant nullifer is his best option.
Originally posted by newjak86
The thread starter stated that it blocked all TP attacks but if it doesn't then Slade goes down hard.
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TP blockers will be useless if he bursts in or gets caught, he's better off using the mutant nullifier or using sneak attacks/traps.
Stryker has equipment from the future, and doesn't live to far from the mansion. DS should be able to get some stuff off him.
Wolverine is not Slade's equal.Wolverine at max is still below the one ton range while DS is between the 5 and 15 range.DS senses are magnified to an even higher degree than Logan's as already shown by spottong the Atom.Wolverine is fast enough to hit Spider-man meaning he's real quik,DS is fast to enough to hit Flashes which means he's absurdly faster than Logan.He's so much smarter and can think so much faster that we really don't need a comparison.Fighting ability I'd put them close together but that doesn't mean Wolverine's going to hold his own seeing as he's moving in slow motion to Slade.Their blades cancel each other out because there is no proof on either side which is stronger.Slade's hellicopter begone staff alone takes down Logan.That's not even mentioning that Slade can't be permanantly killed which means taking a fall early and playing possum are viable strategies.
logon will pwn deathstroke on his own he can heal anything deathstroke can deal but emma frost is also there and when she in diamond from she is virtually untouchable beast is more agile that slade and so is nightcrawler doesn't matter is slade can get tiny little glipse into the future combined with storms lighting ( presuming the the rest of the x-men can get slade outside) they pwn.
Originally posted by superbatman86
Wolverine is not Slade's equal.Wolverine at max is still below the one ton range while DS is between the 5 and 15 range.DS senses are magnified to an even higher degree than Logan's as already shown by spottong the Atom.Wolverine is fast enough to hit Spider-man meaning he's real quik,DS is fast to enough to hit Flashes which means he's absurdly faster than Logan.He's so much smarter and can think so much faster that we really don't need a comparison.Fighting ability I'd put them close together but that doesn't mean Wolverine's going to hold his own seeing as he's moving in slow motion to Slade.Their blades cancel each other out because there is no proof on either side which is stronger.Slade's hellicopter begone staff alone takes down Logan.That's not even mentioning that Slade can't be permanantly killed which means taking a fall early and playing possum are viable strategies.
Couldn't of said it better.
Can DS get into the mansion the answer is yes; I have no doubt that he can bypass the security measures. If he can get into the Titans Tower then I believe he can penetrate the mansion. As for the TP thing I’m not sure what that is all about but Emma has been shown to go through many different mental blocking devices, as with the Sentinels they have devices that prevent a telepath from attacking the human pilots but she found a design flaw that allowed her to exploit.
They (Reed, Tony, etc) have already created devices that block or turn off the inhibitor devices so logic would assume that the mansion already has such devices in place to prevent such attacks. As for Wolverine senses he would need to kill all sent from him and all weapons such as his guns, grenades and such. Covering it wouldn’t do any good such as smelling like a dog because Wolverine has been known to know the difference and unless he can smell like a chair I don’t see him doing that.
As for fighting all the X-Men except for Kitty are superb fighters, though I would have to give DS the upper hand in skill but other DC characters at the fighting level of the X-Men have gone toe to toe with DS. If Prof X was alerted to the threat all he would need to do is go to the Astral Plane and fry DS from there and the TP helmet would do him no good.
I'm not sure DS could beat all of the X-Men.W/prep it is more than possible. But, that wolverine being on the same level of DS is Bull****!
Logan is not in the same league as slade. The only thing wol;verine might have over slade is Healing. But that's a meybe. Like it would really matter. Slade intellect alone is too much for Logan. superbatman86 is right. Logan is nowhere near strength. Or speed. People always make a big deal about Logan's fighting skill and expirience. No offence. But, I never see him using either of those. Seriously, once those claws come out all he ever does is start swinging em. DS is fighting uber powerful teams like Teen Titans who consist of SuperBoy, WonderGirl, Raven, Robin, Sarfire, BeastBoy, Cyborg, and u could go on. I'm not going to even mention the JLA's members. Talk about PIS with the flash. H's been whoopin his *** ever since. It's not something new. He also escaped from Hal Jordan and Aqauman literally by outsmarting them. The only real thing PIS about that JLA fight in Indenty Crisis was Kyle Rayner. Considering he's such a hothead and his personality anyway it was in the guy's character. Seriously this guy evades Superman with agility, outsmarts AM and GL, nearly walks away from beating JLA in a matter of seconds, and hands batman his ***. In no way is wolverine eqaul to DS. Back on topic I see DS evading security systems but I don't see him taking the majrity of the fight considering it is the whole friggin mansion. I don't think the psi blockers will work. They will just allow DS to go undetected for awile. If DS has layouts of the mansion he should take out most powerful first(Telepaths) and then get people like shadowcat, nightcrawler, cyclops ect. I see DS taking 4/10 or 5/10. Could even take 6/10.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
I'm not sure DS could beat all of the X-Men.W/prep it is more than possible. But, that wolverine being on the same level of DS is Bull****!
Logan is not in the same league as slade. The only thing wol;verine might have over slade is Healing. But that's a meybe. Like it would really matter. Slade intellect alone is too much for Logan. superbatman86 is right. Logan is nowhere near strength. Or speed. People always make a big deal about Logan's fighting skill and expirience. No offence. But, I never see him using either of those. Seriously, once those claws come out all he ever does is start swinging em. DS is fighting uber powerful teams like Teen Titans who consist of SuperBoy, WonderGirl, Raven, Robin, Sarfire, BeastBoy, Cyborg, and u could go on. I'm not going to even mention the JLA's members. Talk about PIS with the flash. H's been whoopin his *** ever since. It's not something new. He also escaped from Hal Jordan and Aqauman literally by outsmarting them. The only real thing PIS about that JLA fight in Indenty Crisis was Kyle Rayner. Considering he's such a hothead and his personality anyway it was in the guy's character. Seriously this guy evades Superman with agility, outsmarts AM and GL, nearly walks away from beating JLA in a matter of seconds, and hands batman his ***. In no way is wolverine eqaul to DS. Back on topic I see DS evading security systems but I don't see him taking the majrity of the fight considering it is the whole friggin mansion. I don't think the psi blockers will work. They will just allow DS to go undetected for awile. If DS has layouts of the mansion he should take out most powerful first(Telepaths) and then get people like shadowcat, nightcrawler, cyclops ect. I see DS taking 4/10 or 5/10. Could even take 6/10.
