whos the best fighter without superpowers?

Originally posted by batdude123
Who's better that he has knowledge of? Elektra? Nope. Daredevil? Nope. Captain America? Captain America is a great fighter, but he doesn't have very much knowledge about martial arts when in comparisson to these three. Punisher? Would get owned in h2h easily by any of those guys. Wolverine? Who shows almost no skill at all and just hacks and slashes like an animal at people. Deadpool? He's good, but he's gotten taken down by Wolverine before.

Dude what are you going by now knowledge or skill...

Daredevil, Cap, Wolverine and Deadpool would own Shiva and company.

When has Deadpool been taken down by Wolverine?

Originally posted by batdude123
So just because he may know more people's styles, doesn't mean that they are better. If anything, those styles are obsolete. Besides, he would just fight with one person's skills at a time.

WTF?

I'm guessing you mean just because he knows more styles doesn't mean hes better.

Okay but thats wrong to because the peoples styles he does know are better which does make him better.

He doesn't use one persons skill at a time.

He mix and matches them.

He might come with a kick of someones then a punch of anothers.

Or a counter of Spider-Man's then a shield throw to the head like Cap.

Originally posted by He-guy88
ill try my best to explain this but u said the virus fused HIS ARMOR with him so if he had no armor the he would have no power thats not the same as colossus because he did not need any armor to get his power i dont know if u know wat im saying or not but u still have not given me any of his powers that did not come from his armor the healing factor summoing his armor all that stuff is comeing from his armor not him because its mereged with him u could have a cannon merged to ur arm and control it by ur mind but u still dont have any powers same thing

so anything about was said that u would like to point out

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Dude what are you going by now knowledge or skill...

Daredevil, Cap, Wolverine and Deadpool would own Shiva and company.

When has Deadpool been taken down by Wolverine?

Yeah, you know why they'd beat Shiva, Cass, and Dragon? Because they are superhumans while Shiva and those guys are just human. In terms of skill, Shiva and company dwarf those guys. Daredevil has radar sense, Wolverine's got a healing factor as well as a bunch of other mutant powers, Deadpool can't die and also carries around weapons, and Captain is superhuman is some physical attributes

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W WTF?

I'm guessing you mean just because he knows more styles doesn't mean hes better.

Okay but thats wrong to because the peoples styles he does know are better which does make him better.

He doesn't use one persons skill at a time.

He mix and matches them.

He might come with a kick of someones then a punch of anothers.

Or a counter of Spider-Man's then a shield throw to the head like Cap. [/B]

Shiva has been stated as being the most skillfully endowed martial artist on the planet. Cass has beaten her twice. She's got all the skills that Shiva has as well as the movement reading capability. Dragon has taught Shiva a bunch of what she knows. He's also showed Batman up when he was trying to talk him down. Taskmaster might be able to defeat these guys in a battle, but it wouldn't be because he is a more skillful fighter.

Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah, you know why they'd beat Shiva, Cass, and Dragon? Because they are superhumans while Shiva and those guys are just human. In terms of skill, Shiva and company dwarf those guys. Daredevil has radar sense, Wolverine's got a healing factor as well as a bunch of other mutant powers, Deadpool can't die and also carries around weapons, and Captain is superhuman is some physical attributes

Cap is comicbook peakhuman not real world peak human and Taskmasters beat him.

Deadpool had all those things and Taskmasters beat him.

Wolverine is in fact a very skillful fighter, regardless of writers being lazy.

Originally posted by batdude123
Taskmaster might be able to defeat these guys in a battle, but it wouldn't be because he is a more skillful fighter.

How is he not more skillful?

Taskmaster knows all present day and many historical martial arts.

On top of all these.
Anaconda
Ant-Man II
Batroc
Beast
Black Widow II
Blizzard
Boomerang
Bushwacker
Blacklash
Black Knight III
Black Panther
Captain America
Cat
Conquest
Daredevil
Deadpool
Eel II
Elektra
Falcon
Fatale
Firestar
Hawkeye
Headhunter
Iron Fist
Jack O' Lantern
Justice
MACH-IV
Machete
Mister X II
Nomad III
Oddball
Photon III
Porcupine
Puma
Punisher
Quicksilver
Razorfist
Ringer
Saguri
Scarlet Witch
Shatterhead
She-Hulk
Shockwave
Silverclaw
Silver Samurai
Siren
Speed Demon
Spider-man
Stiltman
Swordsman
Thing
Toad
Tigra
Trapster
Triathlon
Tumbler
USAgent
Vision
Warbird
Whiplash II
Whirlwind
Wolverine
Wonder Man
Yellowjacket
Zaran

SHIELD and HYDRA have used him to teach agents because of his skills.

Originally posted by He-guy88
ill try my best to explain this but u said the virus fused HIS ARMOR with him so if he had no armor the he would have no power thats not the same as colossus because he did not need any armor to get his power i dont know if u know wat im saying or not but u still have not given me any of his powers that did not come from his armor the healing factor summoing his armor all that stuff is comeing from his armor not him because its mereged with him u could have a cannon merged to ur arm and control it by ur mind but u still dont have any powers same thing

Ok so according to your logic The Sentry can have no powers because he previously didn't have any? The Sentry needed the virus they injected in him, so no way could he have powers now? Bruce Banner has no powers because he needs The Hulk to bring those powers out.

Never mind though your right. Even though Marvel clearly stated that Tony now has powers, he doesn't. he was able to stop and restart The Crimson Dynamos heart, but thats no power. Marvel doesn't no what there talking about, I mean there only the creator of his character.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Cap is comicbook peakhuman not real world peak human and Taskmasters beat him.

Deadpool had all those things and Taskmasters beat him.

Wolverine is in fact a very skillful fighter, regardless of writers being lazy.

How is he not more skillful?

Taskmaster knows all present day and many historical martial arts.

On top of all these.
Anaconda
Ant-Man II
Batroc
Beast
Black Widow II
Blizzard
Boomerang
Bushwacker
Blacklash
Black Knight III
Black Panther
Captain America
Cat
Conquest
Daredevil
Deadpool
Eel II
Elektra
Falcon
Fatale
Firestar
Hawkeye
Headhunter
Iron Fist
Jack O' Lantern
Justice
MACH-IV
Machete
Mister X II
Nomad III
Oddball
Photon III
Porcupine
Puma
Punisher
Quicksilver
Razorfist
Ringer
Saguri
Scarlet Witch
Shatterhead
She-Hulk
Shockwave
Silverclaw
Silver Samurai
Siren
Speed Demon
Spider-man
Stiltman
Swordsman
Thing
Toad
Tigra
Trapster
Triathlon
Tumbler
USAgent
Vision
Warbird
Whiplash II
Whirlwind
Wolverine
Wonder Man
Yellowjacket
Zaran

SHIELD and HYDRA have used him to teach agents because of his skills.

Whoa! I didn't know he knew all of those people's moves. 😬 Has he demonstrated all those moves, or is that just in a handbook?

Originally posted by batdude123
Whoa! I didn't know he knew all of those people's moves. 😬 Has he demonstrated all those moves, or is that just in a handbook?

Hes demonstrated most of them and others hes actually trained.

Spider-Women being another that I left off the list.

He can't mimic the powers though or superhuman strength.

But he can copy speed and agility.

Hes been showin moving a Spider-Man speeds before and just as agile.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Hes demonstrated most of them and others hes actually trained.

Spider-Women being another that I left off the list.

He can't mimic the powers though or superhuman strength.

But he can copy speed and agility.

Hes been showin moving a Spider-Man speeds before and just as agile.

*sigh* Fine, but he's not above Batman 1 Million, Champion, and Karate Kid.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Ok so according to your logic The Sentry can have no powers because he previously didn't have any? The Sentry needed the virus they injected in him, so no way could he have powers now? Bruce Banner has no powers because he needs The Hulk to bring those powers out.

Never mind though your right. Even though Marvel clearly stated that Tony now has powers, he doesn't. he was able to stop and restart The Crimson Dynamos heart, but thats no power. Marvel doesn't no what there talking about, I mean there only the creator of his character.

thats not my point at all u realy dont understand i asked wat powers does he have with WITH OUT HIS ARMOR and u listed things he could do because his armor merged with him as for bruce banner in his banner form no he does not have powers when he turns to hulk then he has great powers not to be mistaken with banner hulk were both r present at both times and if sentry needed the virus then with out it no he would of had no powers but that is not to be mistaken for wat im saying because tony stark is drawing his power from an out side power witch merged with him and if u go by wat i asked with out his armor he has none like Green lantern crops members now im talking hal,john and ones like that the ones that have no other powers then the rings. them steel and all who draw their power from an out side force they would not have any powers if it was not for their rings armors and all that ill agree that tecnicly they do have powers but if i were to ask u without those iteams that they draw from would u tell me that they still have powers because thats wat ur saying about tony stark

Originally posted by He-guy88
thats not my point at all u realy dont understand i asked wat powers does he have with WITH OUT HIS ARMOR and u listed things he could do because his armor merged with him as for bruce banner in his banner form no he does not have powers when he turns to hulk then he has great powers not to be mistaken with banner hulk were both r present at both times and if sentry needed the virus then with out it no he would of had no powers but that is not to be mistaken for wat im saying because tony stark is drawing his power from an out side power witch merged with him and if u go by wat i asked with out his armor he has none like Green lantern crops members now im talking hal,john and ones like that the ones that have no other powers then the rings. them steel and all who draw their power from an out side force they would not have any powers if it was not for their rings armors and all that ill agree that tecnicly they do have powers but if i were to ask u without those iteams that they draw from would u tell me that they still have powers because thats wat ur saying about tony stark

now do u get wat im saying???

Originally posted by batdude123
Wolverine? Who shows almost no skill at all and just hacks and slashes like an animal at people.

Originally posted by batdude123
*sigh* Fine, but he's not above Batman 1 Million, Champion, and Karate Kid.

Champion isnt that good 😉

bats one million rules champ and kk

Originally posted by He-guy88
thats not my point at all u realy dont understand i asked wat powers does he have with WITH OUT HIS ARMOR and u listed things he could do because his armor merged with him as for bruce banner in his banner form no he does not have powers when he turns to hulk then he has great powers not to be mistaken with banner hulk were both r present at both times and if sentry needed the virus then with out it no he would of had no powers but that is not to be mistaken for wat im saying because tony stark is drawing his power from an out side power witch merged with him and if u go by wat i asked with out his armor he has none like Green lantern crops members now im talking hal,john and ones like that the ones that have no other powers then the rings. them steel and all who draw their power from an out side force they would not have any powers if it was not for their rings armors and all that ill agree that tecnicly they do have powers but if i were to ask u without those iteams that they draw from would u tell me that they still have powers because thats wat ur saying about tony stark

I think your trying to ask me what powers he has now that the armor is inside his body?

Now that the armor is directly connected to his brain, he has the ability to connect with electronic devices throughout the world.

By injecting his body with the modified techno-organic virus he somehow obtained a healing factor.

Now that His armor is inside of him he has superhuman reaction times.

Is this what you were asking?

Originally posted by Grimm22
Champion isnt that good 😉

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I think your trying to ask me what powers he has now that the armor is inside his body?

Now that the armor is directly connected to his brain, he has the ability to connect with electronic devices throughout the world.

By injecting his body with the modified techno-organic virus he somehow obtained a healing factor.

Now that His armor is inside of him he has superhuman reaction times.

Is this what you were asking?

no im asking wat powers does he have without any armor related way not armor merged with hi and not armor hes wereing powers that he has compleaty without any kind of armor

(i dont even remeber y im asking now but still answer)

Originally posted by King KAM
i tried to tell them that too....

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Well based on his history, hes supposed to know thousands of martials arts styles because of his years as an elder but he never shows it.

Originally posted by batdude123
*sigh* Fine, but he's not above Batman 1 Million, Champion, and Karate Kid.

Originally posted by He-guy88
no im asking wat powers does he have without any armor related way not armor merged with hi and not armor hes wereing powers that he has compleaty without any kind of armor

(i dont even remeber y im asking now but still answer)

None, but thats not the point. He now has powers due to the virus he injected himself with.

Thats why Marvel says "formerly" he had no powers, but as of now he does.