Colossus vs Sebastian Shaw

Originally posted by nwg202
im thinking shaw is going to beat the crap out of colossus in ash x-men(i hope im wrong) the villain always has to be the crap out of the hero 1st to give the reader a sense of fear and excitement. Realistically though, all colossus has to do is choke him or drown him. He dosnt need to punch him at all, therefore shaw wont power up.

I think you're right, on the preview it says there's only going to be one X-Man standing after the Hellfire's assualt. The cover is telling me that it'll be Kitty Pryde however my brain is telling me it's Emma Frost.

Arguably, if Shaw absorbs Kinetic energy, anyone should be able to choke him out since that doesn't actually involve kinetic energy.

Originally posted by The Fake Macoy
Arguably, if Shaw absorbs Kinetic energy, anyone should be able to choke him out since that doesn't actually involve kinetic energy.

You're still using Kinetic Energy to choke him. Kinetic Energy = Motion. Your hand is moving/pressing against his throat plus the particles in your hand are also moving.

I was thinking the same snapping his neck would be to easy.

Choking doesn't involve much energy if you do it right.

But whatever little energy you give off Seb is still going to absorb it and use it to strengthen himself. You're better off shocking him with electrical cables.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
But whatever little energy you give off Seb is still going to absorb it and use it to strengthen himself. You're better off shocking him with electrical cables.

If he got that strong that fast he could just absorb the energy off his own heartbeat.

Whatever energy you used to flex your arms and choke him is given off to Seb strengthening him and making him harder to choke, you'll therefore need to press even harder to kill him, giving him even more energy. Plus the particles in the air, your arms, his clothes, the floor are constantly vibrating using kinetic energy to move, all that will also add up.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Whatever energy you used to flex your arms and choke him is given off to Seb strengthening him and making him harder to choke, you'll therefore need to press even harder to kill him, giving him even more energy. Plus the particles in the air, your arms, his clothes, the floor are constantly vibrating using kinetic energy to move, all that will also add up.

Choking him is very viable and may work. Or just overload him and put him into a coma.

I know that applying logic to how super powers works is ridiculous, but I still always hate it when the description of someone's super powers doesn't match what they are actually doing.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Whatever energy you used to flex your arms and choke him is given off to Seb strengthening him and making him harder to choke, you'll therefore need to press even harder to kill him, giving him even more energy. Plus the particles in the air, your arms, his clothes, the floor are constantly vibrating using kinetic energy to move, all that will also add up.

The only points against rear naked choking him is how long the struggle will be to put him into it, which will give him far more energy than the choke itself, and whether or not Colossus practices rear naked chokes.

the kinetic energy you use to choke him would not be enough for him to break free. besides, holding a choke hold won't use anymore kinetic energy. cut off his blood flow till he passes out. simple.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I think Shaw absorbs energy on impact. I mean every time he walked or ran he would be super strong but it don't work that way. He has to be hit hard to absorb the energy.

Choking him is very viable and may work. Or just overload him and put him into a coma.

Okay I'm convinced choking would probably work.(Or poking him in the throat.)

Now back to his powers:
Technically the air particles are constantly colliding with our own particles...so wouldn't the collisions count as impacts? And the particles in our clothes etc are also vibrating and colliding with our skin. So shouldn't he be super strong and durable all the time?
Rubber science really makes you think 😛

I think Shaw needs significant impact for it to up his stats. So, even though technically he's always absorbing the impact from particles and whatnot, it's not enough to make a difference.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
I think Shaw needs significant impact for it to up his stats. So, even though technically he's always absorbing the impact from particles and whatnot, it's not enough to make a difference.

That could be true, however what would be a significant impact? His powers are dervived from his mutant DNA, so every skin cell in his body should be absorbing Kinetic Energy from the particle collisions and metabolising it. Of course the KE absorbed would be in minute amounts, so it would take some time for it to build up, and as far as I can tell he's over the 30 years old, meaning he should be a walking tank by now.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
That could be true, however what would be a significant impact? His powers are dervived from his mutant DNA, so every skin cell in his body should be absorbing Kinetic Energy from the particle collisions and metabolising it. Of course the KE absorbed would be in minute amounts, so it would take some time for it to build up, and as far as I can tell he's over the 30 years old, meaning he should be a walking tank by now.

Shaw's struggling against those approaching and over Class 100. They can either overload him or simply outpower him. I doubt even a fully charged Shaw could match Colossus for strength.

Shaw gets maybe 2/10 at best if he fights intelligently.

well it seems shaw can also make himself stronger by hitting walls or something els so iff colossus is choking, he would have to chok him out fast, or colossus should restrain him at the same time.

It also seems shaw keeps enough energy stored by hitting walls wenn he wake up at morning so he got some reserve's every time he goes in to a fight.

Maybe colossus can beat him but it won't be easy.

this fight already happeend and shaw won even rogue with colossus power coudlnt win this