Superboy(kon-el) vs The Fantastic four

Started by Juntai2 pages

Originally posted by golem370
If everytime you make a thread wether it's you are anybody and makes a thread the word Speedblitz or there just not fast enough to atempt anything then what the hell is the point of making it in the first place. Also If the characters are suppose to be at there best couldn't Sue be in Herald form thats her most powerful version right and Human Torch to.
They fight at optimum levels,they don't appear in their greatest form they've ever been in automaticaly.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Yes been then they would kill Conner and my guess is the thread starter doesn't want that.
How? A bubble in the brain?

Sue doesn't and won't fight like that.
On the other hand, Super can and does utilize superspeed.
See the difference?
It's certainly a viable option.

Maybe but Superman fought Doomsday the first time he was using his top form. These characters don't always fight by speedblitzing all the time. Is'nt Sue's and Johnny strongest level as a herald?

Dude, all I see is you rationalizing Sue but then backing the idea of Conner attacking her at full force. Your tipping the scales.

For one thing this is Superboy not Man I always thought he only flew at Mach speed or little better. Things has took shots from someone just as strong as Superman even speedblitz puches and much more and yes he was down for a few minutes but got back up.

Whats they point of the thread if they lose instantly

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Dude, all I see is you rationalizing Sue but then backing the idea of Conner attacking her at full force. Your tipping the scales.
All I see is you trying to have Sue utilize tactics you know damn well she won't, while I'm simply saying, and several others in agreement, that Kon can and does fight like that. Sue is not a killer. Read your forum rules again.

Here's the one about Bloodlust.
[Piece for Big Sexy.]It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.

[For Golem.]
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels. --------- Notice it doesn't mention anything about them automatically having the highest powers they've ever obtained. It says they fight at optimum.

Again... later... in the part about CIS
[Again for Big Sexy]
Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively.

So CIS is allowed.

And as far as living to character personality. I don't see Conner(a softy) attacking someone like Sue at full force. Maybe Ben but not Sue. Just like him fighting WG, you know he could fight her at top speed, but he wouldn't.( unless you count when he turned evil)

Wait not SBP right? 😕

If not then FF. I mean heck Karate Kid pwned Superboy. 😉

Karate Kid pwned the Pre-Crisis Legion....

I see this as a split or slight edge to Conner.

Wait this is Superboy (Conner Kent)?!?

Oh then definitly FF. 😉

He got beat by Spider-Man 😛

Recently, as his Kryptonian physiology matures, Superboy had started to gain superpowers that aren't derived from his tactile telekinesis, including heat vision, x-ray vision, superhearing, superspeed; additionally, Superboy also discovered he was no longer reliant on tactile telekinesis for his flight, superstrength, and invulnerability. It's believed that Superboy, like Superman, was starting to absorb the energy of Earth's yellow sun, and thus giving him his Superman-style powers. It is unclear how much of Conner's powers were physical and how much was generated by his Tactile-Telekinesis but his body's strength is substantial. He can move cars with no effort and his upper level of super strength is estimated to be around 80 tons. His top speed easily surpasses the speed of sound and Superboy himself could shrug off cannon fire with ease. Superboy was unable to absorb solar energy as fast as Superman. So, while he was able to fly and use superhuman strength on his own, he could not stay in fight as long as Superman can. If he did, his body starts to eat itself for energy. It has been shown that he does weaken to kryptonite the same exact way as Superman. The only power he never exhibited in any form is super-breath

Originally posted by golem370
If everytime you make a thread wether it's you are anybody and makes a thread the word Speedblitz or there just not fast enough to atempt anything then what the hell is the point of making it in the first place.

There really isn't a point other than that people should learn to make better matched threads. There are several powersets that grant a near instant win against characters with either no protection against them or no way to counter them. Examples would be telekinesis, telepathy, matter manipulation, extreme speed, ect. Usually people fail to take these into consideration and you get extremely lopsided fights (just look as the Superman vs Hulk thread, imo).

As to this fight, the CIS stipulation hurts everyone involved as none of them are violently inclined. That being said Connor still has a speed and mobility advantage against the entire team save the Human Torch (and even there Connor is significantly more durable). Thus I don't have a hard time seeing him win a majority using tactics aimed only at K.O.'ing the Fantastic Four. If he takes out Sue early with a "light" (ie non-lethal) hit then I don't see the rest being much of a challenge sans preptime.

I think teamwork, experience, intelligence and numbers give the four a slight edge. They've faced down beings lightyears beyond Conner.