Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Still some great stuff in Wolverine's main series in the last few years though. Aarons run was pretty great, and Old Man Logan is pretty good so far, many stand alone fill-in issues between arcs that could have easily been in one-shots... but they where still in the main series. 😄
Yep. Old Man Logan is very good. That's what I'm talking about, the story has threat and tension.
Maxed out Healing Factor
It really depends on the writer. A bad writer will mess up the canon and screw with his healing factor limitations.
But lately the writer in his Manifest Destiny story line has been fixing those mistakes. So recently it has been revealed that Logan does have limitations on his healing factor now. So if he gets his ass kicked enough, he will eventually die.
A good example of this is in the Ghost Boxes mini. Logan was burned to death and after several hours of being crippled in a burning inferno he died.
The writers have made Wolverine as of late be some type of a god-like character,having him regenerate practically every part of his body brand new,but here is how I THINK he can die.
If Hulk rip him apart,like in Ultimates and keeps his lower body apart from the upper part,so he cant rejoin them,he should bleed to death.
Also if Omega Red impale him with his carbonadium coils and keep them inside of him,they should not only slow his healing factor but poison him if he releases his death spores on him at such close range.
Also if you dump liquid adamantium into him through his mouth,and basically full him up with it.(just like what he did to Lady Deathstrike) that should kill him.
Also here is another example,have a high level telepath turn his power off,stop him from accessing his healing factor,Xavier should be able to do it,Xavier put him to sleep already in the end of the Magneto War.and Emma should be able to stop him from using his powers,she stopped Xavier from using his in WWH and she basically turned Wolvie into a girl in Astonishing. So stop him from accessing his healing factor then batter him to a pulp,fry him with a high intensity blast.
and if someone is gonna say that no telepath on earth can put a block on his powers,well fine,Vulcan can kill him easily by supressing his mutant ability,so there,Vulcan can kill him.
To give fair credit, lately they have been trying to depower Logan's healing factor. Some good writers have been focusing on his actual fighting abilities, and acknowledging that his healing factor can't save him from everything.
Let's face it. Non Wolverine fans always assume Logan is all about the healing factor. Originally this was not true and it's good some current writers remember that.
Originally posted by jdea
his healing is ridiculous at some times, i hear stuff like him healing back from a single cell... personally a character who can not die is plain boring... with that said, Wolverine can most definetly be killed if he's vaporized, down to the last cell (ex. Phoenix) or I believe Decapitation
well I dont think having him vaporized would work,the writers make his healing too instant,he would heal from it too fast. Drowning would work,that can kill like anyone,or trying to suffocate him,placing Hulk's humongous hands over his mouth,smothering him would surely kill him.
can wolverine die
In reading through all of these posts and i have a few ingredients to add to the soup.
A) Wolverine can survive a nuke.. He got shot into the Sun and survived THAT.. which do you think is worse?
B) Someone said that you could drown him... I would say thats the most reasonable thing out there because i have never heard anything against it.
C) I saw a post talking about Spider-Man snapping his neck. Waht about the Hulk, etc. Here is the REAL question . . .
Wolverine or Chuck Norris?
Wolverine can be drowned as far as I know, but you can't destroy all his cells because his skeleton is Adamantium, and his brain is safely enclosed in an unbreakable cranium. The only way to get through that is with some type of Cosmic power, the Infinity Gauntlet, or Anti-Metal. As long as his brain is active, he'll regenerate. And I doubt Xavier could shut off the part of his brain that controls his healing, since it's automatic, like breathing. You also can't snap his neck, at least not in 616, Ultimate got ripped in half, so that's possible. Also, he has regenerated from a skeleton, and having been hit by a truck so badly that most of his organs were on the outside. Watching a video, I believe it was Moira who said it was like watching him die in reverse or something like that.
lol this thread makes me laugh , at least 90% of the comments made were by people who clearly have no idea what there talking about. Oh and if anyone wishes for examples I will gladdly give them with evidences why these people are wrong and should not make such statements.
and I am sorry if some one is offended, but it true most of what ive heard is utter crap from people who have no idea what there talking about, hell on this page alone I can see at least one poster talking out there back end
Originally posted by Battlehammer
lol this thread makes me laugh , at least 90% of the comments made were by people who clearly have no idea what there talking about. Oh and if anyone wishes for examples I will gladdly give them with evidences why these people are wrong and should not make such statements.and I am sorry if some one is offended, but it true most of what ive heard is utter crap from people who have no idea what there talking about, hell on this page alone I can see at least one poster talking out there back end
You make me laugh, Battlehammer. You sound as though you know everything there is to know about Wolverine — how strong he is, how durable, what he has for breakfast, his favourite Spice Girl...
Everything we, the readers and fans, know is dictated by what a particular writer (with the approval of his/her editor) has written.
The fact that Wolverine can regenerate from a single cell is just plain stupid! Yes, a writer might have written it, and yes it might now be canon but only until some other writer removes that ability and another (better) writer explains how it was possible in the first place (e.g. Apocalypse working behind the scenes or something as ridiculous AND plausible as that).
My objection to Wolverine is he has become too powerful. When he was first introduced it was his small stature, ferocity and persistence that marked him out against larger more powerful adversaries — Hulk, Wendigo, Juggernaut, Mesmero, Sauron — but now, if he can't die what's the point?
Well, Vulcan can do the thing where he flash fries the flesh from his bones, but his brain will survive, and he will regenerate, like he did when Nitro blew him up
Magneto f with his skeleton, or rip the adamantium off, but he's been there, done that.
I don't see what Apocalypse can do without getting him hooked up to his Celestial Tech.
And Iron Man can...have an orbiatal satellite built to fire on him I guess.
Originally posted by Brak Dayton
and yes it might now be canon but only until some other writer removes that ability and another (better) writer explains how it was possible in the first place (e.g. Apocalypse working behind the scenes or something as ridiculous AND plausible as that).
Well they have removed they have fixed up his healing factor back during the story with the angel of death, He has to not rely so much on his healing factor now and actually fight......i guess you missed that part
Part of Wolverine's soul was stolen during Millar's EOTS by the Hand and remade as Shogun. Wolverine gets his fractured soul back in exchange for dropping his immortality. Angel of Death tells Logan there is a chance his HF may not be as strong after relinquishing his immortality. Logan seems not to care as the threat of death amuses him.This explanation is flawed because it retcons the completely believable power-up his HF got post adamantium rip. Wolverine came back from the dead long before his HF ever reached God-like proportions so that never needed an explanation. It's good because it insinuates that Wolverine has been weakened with his loss of part of his soul. With it returned he seems to feel stronger. He can feel his adrenaline surge more powerfully than it has in a century. He recognizes his enemies as being a threat again
Hell he even got his ass kicked by the Black Dragon gang in the Manifest Story Mini.