Fantastic 4 vs. Secret Defenders Fantastic 4

FF

Mr. Fantastic
Invisible Woman
Human Torch
Thing

versus:

New FF

Wolverine
Spider-Man
Ghost Rider
Hulk

discuss/debate.

yeah.

If there is no prep I would assume new ff would take it because of hulk.
Can wolverine stab/cut Mr.Fantastic. I say it's new ff 5/10 or 6/10

This fight has already happened 😛

Although it ended in a draw 😬

Of course the FF wasnt working together then, so now I would say they take it. 😉

The only real obstacle here is Ghost Rider. Im sure that Sue can take care of him though

FF 8/10

Originally posted by UltimateStryfe
yeah.

What issue is that? 😕

Really close considering whether Ghost Rider uses the penance stare and whether this is savage hulk.

there ain't no way Sue's force fields can resist hellfire. Torch can't. Hulk takes down Thing, and Wolverine takes out Reed. Spidey cracks jokes.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Really close considering whether Ghost Rider uses the penance stare and whether this is savage hulk.

Nope its Prof. Hulk 😉

That and I highly dobut that Penatence Stare would work on Ben G or any of the FF

Yea they would work as a team better. Reed would think of somthin on the fly. Can Logan stab/cut Reed?

Originally posted by UltimateStryfe
there ain't no way Sue's force fields can resist hellfire. Torch can't. Hulk takes down Thing, and Wolverine takes out Reed. Spidey cracks jokes.

Wolverine takes down Reed 🤨

He cant hurt Reed. That and Reed is 1000000x smarter than Wolverine 😉

Sue's forcefields withstood GR's chains, why wouldnt they be able to take hellfire? 😕

That and Prof. Hulk and Ben are about even strength except Ben is a MUCH better fighter

Knowing which incarnation of the hulk this is and logan can't hurt reed FF takes this Spidey can't do **** vs IW andGR is the only real problem.

I see spiderman and Hulk beating Ben

I don't think sue can handle ghost rider.

As far as fantastic, I really dont why Wolverine can't cut him But reeds intellect is another issue altogether.

pidey's brain pob the second the fight starts.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Knowing which incarnation of the hulk this is and logan can't hurt reed FF takes this Spidey can't do **** vs IW andGR is the only real problem.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Knowing which incarnation of the hulk this is and logan can't hurt reed FF takes this Spidey can't do **** vs IW andGR is the only real problem.

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Ghost Rider turns Torch into charcoal

Professor Hulk is Banner's intelligence combined with Mindless Hulk. not as smart as Reed but REALLY strong. crushe Thing.

Wolverine would turn Reed into confette.

Spidey would give Sue a hard time trying to hit him. If her reflexes aren't fast enough, she'll get a mouthfull of webbing, breaking her concentration, and end up in a wall.

I say New FF.

Originally posted by UltimateStryfe
Ghost Rider turns Torch into charcoal

Professor Hulk is Banner's intelligence combined with Mindless Hulk. not as smart as Reed but REALLY strong. crushe Thing.

Wolverine would turn Reed into confette.

Spidey would give Sue a hard time trying to hit him. If her reflexes aren't fast enough, she'll get a mouthfull of webbing, breaking her concentration, and end up in a wall.

I say New FF.

Did you even listen to me? 🤨

Wolverine CAN"T CUT Reed

Sue can EASILY take care of Spidey. 😐

Prof. Hulk is smart but nowhere as strong as Savage Hulk. Besides their strength has already been determined to be almost dead even. Combine that with Ben's superior fighting skills and Ben takes it 😉

Johnny is faster than GR. Although Johnny cant hurt GR, all he has to do is avoid him. Besides Torch takes down Spidey 😉

fine. reed is uncuttable.

so, GR melts Reed
Spidey would easily dodge anything thrown by Torch.
Can Logan and Hulk take out Thing.
Then all 4 go for Sue.

Originally posted by UltimateStryfe
fine. reed is uncuttable.

so, GR melts Reed
Spidey would easily dodge anything thrown by Torch.
Can Logan and Hulk take out Thing.
Then all 4 go for Sue.

FF have a LOT better teamwork than NFF.

Oh and Torch has beaten Spidey before 😉

Originally posted by Grimm22
FF have a LOT better teamwork than NFF.

Oh and Torch has beaten Spidey before 😉

true.

i see the only real problem person being Invisible Woman. Her shields can resist Thing and Hulk beating on them.

The major threat to FF is Ghost Rider. He could basically go Prince of Persia 3 or God of War on ANYONE. Plus his hellfire is awesome, motorcyle, and this incarnation has the penance stare.
Wolverine would probably be second. Can adamantium cut Thing? that is a major factor. i'll find out.