Killing....

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
My two cents.

If killing is wrong then by all means killing in self defense is wrong. If killing is wrong then by all means the soldiers who fought in WWII were wrong because they kill Nazi's. If killing is wrong then every police officer who shoots and kills a criminal is wrong.

All killing is wrong....we should live in a world where there is no killing.

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It's time to step into reality. We're not living in a perfect world. There is no such thing as a perfect world. Stop thinking is possible. We're violent and dangerous species.

Um...Viva La Revolution? 😑

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Remenber the Hamburger example I mention? If you don't believe in killing...you can't eat a hamburger...is hypocracy.

Yeah, what a society we've become when we start comparing human beings to cows.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf

It's time to step into reality. We're not living in a perfect world. There is no such thing as a perfect world. Stop thinking is possible. We're violent and dangerous species.

If we don't get our shit together, we will never have interplanetary relations at all.. 🙁

And that would be tragic, not getting to meet those little green men we've seen in movies for so many years...🙁

not learning from experience
no sense of responsibility
inability to form meaningful relationships
inability to control impulses
lack of moral sense
chronically antisocial behavior
no change in behavior after punishment
emotional immaturity
lack of guilt
self-centeredness

PVS....just for reference to our past argument, these are characterisics of a sociapath.

I'm not callign anybody here one, but would you say that a "lack of beleive that morals exist" doesn't sound extremely similar to the above descriptions ?

Originally posted by Punker69
And that would be tragic, not getting to meet those little green men we've seen in movies for so many years...🙁

Dont we all.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Why does your life is justifiable and the other person isn't? You said killing in self defense is justifiable. Who justify that? You? the other person has no saying? Whoever firmly believes that killing is wrong. Cannot say killing in self defense is justifiable. It's a total contradiction. Even if you imply to say is for self persevation it doesn't work. Sorry....you'll continue to contradict yourself when you fully admit that all killing is wrong. Remenber the Hamburger example I mention? If you don't believe in killing...you can't eat a hamburger...is hypocracy.

Nice Try Wrath, but it aint working.

I never said that Killing is always wrong, so don't try to claim that this is my stance, i've been CLEAR on my stance on this.

It's a two sided truth.

If someone is going to kill you...you have every right to defend yourself every living thing has the right to protect him or herself and to ensure his or her own survival.

Killing is ONLY justifiable in my opinion, when your own life is threatened.

This is why I said numerous times in the Abortion thread that if a woman's fetus is threatening her life, she has the right to terminate it.

I am saying that killing for SPORT, killing for CONVIENENCE, killing for FUN, or killing to satisfy an unnecessary but desirable urge is WRONG.....

That is my stance on it, so don't try labeling me as the hypocrit, i have made it very clear where i stand on this.

Your hamburger example is a poor one. First of all, i dont eat hamburgers. Maybe like FOUR times in my entire life. I didnt choose to KILL THE COW...someone else did, and i would rather make USE of the food than WASTE it.......

Secondly killing for FOOD is an example to ensure our survival, so your example is meaningless.

Nice try though 😉

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I didnt choose to KILL THE COW...someone else did, and i would rather make USE of the food than WASTE it.......

Haha, I think thats going to be excuse now whenever someone trys to throw something stupid like that at my face...

Originally posted by Punker69
Haha, I think thats going to be excuse now whenever someone trys to throw something stupid like that at my face...

LOL...be my guest. 😆

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Nice Try Wrath, but it aint working.

I never said that Killing is always wrong, so don't try to claim that this is my stance, i've been CLEAR on my stance on this.

It's a two sided truth.

If someone is going to kill you...you have every right to defend yourself every living thing has the right to protect him or herself and to ensure his or her own survival.

Killing is ONLY justifiable in my opinion, when your own life is threatened.

This is why I said numerous times in the Abortion thread that if a woman's fetus is threatening her life, she has the right to terminate it.
I am saying that killing for SPORT, killing for CONVIENENCE, killing for FUN, or killing to satisfy an unnecessary but desirable urge is WRONG.....

That is my stance on it, so don't try labeling me as the hypocrit, i have made it very clear where i stand on this.

Your hamburger example is a poor one. First of all, i dont eat hamburgers. Maybe like FOUR times in my entire life. I didnt choose to KILL THE COW...someone else did, and i would rather make USE of the food than WASTE it.......

Secondly killing for FOOD is an example to ensure our survival, so your example is meaningless.

Nice try though 😉

Killing for Food is an example to ensure our survival.

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AC gave a good point about vegatarian consumption. Read again....as far as you saying is not working...it's still an opinion. You're welcome to disagree.

Originally posted by Punker69
Um...Viva La Revolution? 😑

Do you have a contribution to the thread or want attention? Here, I'm giving you attention. I'm also giving you a warning. Anything which is not relating discussions on your posts in this thread will be not be acceptable. Either have something to say that is relevant or get lost.

Originally posted by El_NINO
the opening scene where bomber is about to escape and he has Keanos partner and says (I think) "Bomb in one hand and your partner in the other... what do you do!?!?" 😊

in that scenario, you are killing nobody. the bomber is the killer. if you just run away it doesn mean YOU killed everyone, does it? any court of law and even anyone with common sense would not call you a killer regardless of how that played out.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Wrathful Dwarf said i could re open this. So let me restate the thread.

1)When is killing moral? When is it immoral?

2)Is there a difference between the killing of human beings as opposed to the killing of animals ?

3) Although many people, by universal standards, DO deserve to die for thier crimes and acts of violence against other people.....who has the right to deliver thier death?

The State? The relative's victim? The Executioner? Anyone ?

You may debate using any and all examples at your disposal, but please TRY and answer the three questions above as often as you can.

LETS GET STARTED !

1. Moral when it's done out of self defense.

2. Jesus Christ, yes. Killing a human is always worse than killing an animal. Unless the animal is really really cute and the person is ugly.

3. As said before, in America, the state has the right to decide if they live or die.

Killing for Food is an example to ensure our survival.

Yeah, what else could you call it ?

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AC gave a good point about vegatarian consumption. Read again....as far as you saying is not working...it's still an opinion. You're welcome to disagree.

Yes that is a wondorful option. To be honest, the only meat i consume now is fish. I am an amature body builder, so yes, i need high protein diet. Soy and plant proteins aren;t affective TRUST ME

Whey protein, egg protein, and FISH protein are the BEST.

Peanut butter helps 2, but point is i stay away from RED MEAT as much as possible.

However, in terms of diseases:

Epilepsy...my brother had to have high fat diets for some reason. The doctor told him he had to eat bacon, sausage, meats that you usually would stay away from, but in his case the extra cholestrol helped protect the nerves in his brain from being effected by television and other over-powerful stimulants.

Muscular Dystrophy- my freind had this, and he HAD to eat ANIMAL proteins to help rebuild muscle. At this time, they didn't know too much about Whey Protein and its affect. But Whey Protein alone doesn'y work well for rebuildign and supporting muscle tissue. Lean Fish and Lean red meats were essential for his muscular health, and plant proteins are shit..trust me...they are not complete protiens like those found in meat.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Yes that is a wondorful option. To be honest, the only meat i consume now is fish. I am an amature body builder, so yes, i need high protein diet. Soy and plant proteins aren;t affective TRUST ME

Whey protein, egg protein, and FISH protein are the BEST.

Peanut butter helps 2, but point is i stay away from RED MEAT as much as possible.

Remember that vegetarian I told you about? I've seen him out muscle and out power a person who weights 21 stone (not sure what that is in LBS), not to mention lift this person over his head on one occasion.

No meat, no fish. Explain this. If these are so essential, explain.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Remember that vegetarian I told you about? I've seen him out muscle and out power a person who weights 21 stone (not sure what that is in LBS), not to mention lift this person over his head on one occasion.

No meat, no fish. Explain this. If these are so essential, explain.

-AC

No, I beleive you. But he had to eat a hell of a lot more plant proteins in one sitting than i would have to eat lean meats.

He probably ALSO consumed whey protein as well, which is derived from the milking process.

A plant protein is incomplete. You would have to consume like 5 plant proteins to equal one fish protein.

But whatever.....this wasn't a good example anyway, because consuming these meats simply for my bodybuilding efforts IS more of a "convienence" goal than a survival goal.

However, i am NOT the one who killed these fish or cows to eat them. I am simply going to EAT what's there, since it was already killed anyway.

I would rather make USE of the food than let it waste, and end up the killing was for absolutely nothing.

You still have not countered by necessity for disease points.

It really depends on the circumstances, killing for hatred or financial gain is wrong. There's nothing wrong with killing in self-defense.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Remember that vegetarian I told you about? I've seen him out muscle and out power a person who weights 21 stone (not sure what that is in LBS), not to mention lift this person over his head on one occasion.

No meat, no fish. Explain this. If these are so essential, explain.

-AC

Because they taste good.

Yeah, I said essential.

-AC