Western Societies, The Raise of Neo-Liberalism and Punitiveness

Originally posted by The Omega
Paedophiles are often a result of abuse when they were kids themselves… Without proper habilitation and an attempt to understand how these sociopaths and psychopaths come to be, we, as a society, will never be able to prevent them from “developing”.

Totally off-topic, but:

I've said just as much in other threads, relating to both pedophilia(both gay and straight) and homosexuality in general.

At that time I was met with hostility, as such things are genetic, born into people, and not learned, through life's experiences.

Now if improper influence in a person's developmental years can make them sexually attracted to young children/pre-teens, then how can you say that NO improper influence in a person's developmental years can make them sexually attracted to a person of the same sex?

Both are learned/influenced sexual preferences, and not nature's intention for sex, clearly, as biology would show that a young boy or girl is not developed enough to have sexual intercourse, nor are peoples bodies TRULY compatable to have sex with sombody of the same gender.

Food for thought. 😎

Originally posted by sithsaber408

Food for thought. 😎

no, its dupe-topic homophobic literal excrement.
maybe you should just quit dragging your obsession with gay people into every topic. kthxbye

Originally posted by The Omega
Paedophiles are often a result of abuse when they were kids themselves… Without proper habilitation and an attempt to understand how these sociopaths and psychopaths come to be, we, as a society, will never be able to prevent them from “developing”.

I don't think we can afford to let criminals, of any sort, off the hook or given some massively sympathetic ear just because they were abused as kids or had a traumatic upbringing.

As said by Andrew Vachss: "Evil is not a destiny, it is a decision. Most abused children do not grow up to be abusers, and most of those who do abuse themselves, rather than others. If we excuse the predator because he was abused as a child, we are degrading the heroism of those who were similarly abused, yet refused (remember, it is a choice) to imitate their oppressors."

-AC

Just find it funny how your logic only works for SOME of your arguments.

(but NEVER for mine.)

😉

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Totally off-topic, but:

I've said just as much in other threads, relating to both pedophilia(both gay and straight) and homosexuality in general.

At that time I was met with hostility, as such things are genetic, born into people, and not learned, through life's experiences.

Now if improper influence in a person's developmental years can make them sexually attracted to young children/pre-teens, then how can you say that NO improper influence in a person's developmental years can make them sexually attracted to a person of the same sex?

Both are learned/influenced sexual preferences, and not nature's intention for sex, clearly, as biology would show that a young boy or girl is not developed enough to have sexual intercourse, nor are peoples bodies TRULY compatable to have sex with sombody of the same gender.

Food for thought. 😎

Yes it is, and Im going to stop the conversation here.

There is already a thread for this, so please use it.

Yes'm.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I've said just as much in other threads, relating to both pedophilia(both gay and straight) and homosexuality in general.

At that time I was met with hostility, as such things are genetic, born into people, and not learned, through life's experiences.

That is blatant bullsh*t. NO ONE said that beastiality or pedophilia were genetic traits. That's crap.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Do you think that in the Western Societies, the raise of Neo-Liberalism has brought a more punitive approach in the Justice System in recent years?

Do we generally aim to punish more than to rehabilitate? Does prison overcrowding, death penalty, tougher on crime, ''three strikes on you're out'', approaches kind of suggest we have gone more punitive?

Is punishing rather than restoring, something which is inevitable in highly capitalist societies we live in? (ie, does capitalism require 'removal' of anything which stands in the way of its smooth operation, like for example, poor people).

Or do you on the contrary believe that we have gone far more restorative than punitive in recent years.

(people who are not from the west, feel free to say what you think regarding out justice systems and punishment)

Thoughts?

Capitalism - despite having many positive affects - does also create a will for more, aka 'greed'. Some people have the facilities - both mental and physical - to benefit from such a system. However, there are many people who are unable to do so, whether this is through a resistance to it, or an inability to succeed in it.

This creates a group of outsiders within a relentlessly powerful system. They have the choice to live beyond it, or react to it. The people who choose to live beyond it are few and far between, but there are people who manage to succeed. For the most part, the struggle and effort it would take to distance themselves from the system would denote that these people are happy to do this. The other group lack the will or inclination to follow a different path, so they are stuck in the system, but
are without the means to survive in it efficiently. I think this is what creates the criminal mentality: A frustrating inability to prosper or work within it leaves them with no choice but to rebel against it.

I'm not saying these people are without blame, and there are undoubtably a great many people who choose crime as an easy solution, but something must have happened to them for them to behave in such a way. The majority of the people in the world are, on a personal level, good people who are not out to hurt or affect anyone else in a detrimental manner. Therefore, an application of Occam's Razor would support the supposition that 'bad people' have had 'bad' things happen to them.

Believing that this disposition to creating friction within the system of capitalism can be atoned through education is the only positive way a humanistic society can behave. The ideal of believing in redemption is the only civilised way of attending to this problem. Although, it must be coupled with a punishment that is appropriate to the crime.

For example, on the most basic level, any way you look at capital punishment it shows itself to be barbaric and hypocritical. If the killing of another person is so atrocious, how can it be equated by the killing of another? If this is the message that is given to the kind of people who entertain such thoughts, then it is little surprise that they are unable to function in a civil society.

Therefore, the key is initial education and at least an attempt at some sort of equality of living. If this fails, or is unavailable, then rehabilitation and punishment are dealt. However, the punishment must offer a means of redemption otherwise it's a waste of a life. Do I need to say that no life shoud be wasted? OK, I just did.

Personally I feel that Judical systems are ruled by back-handing and friends of friends who know a friend that can keep the lid on things.

No matter what impression they may appear to give you, its the way it works and if you dont have either of those, you are the mercy of the 'system'

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Of course it does.

Tell me last time you heard a Corporate manager who conciously manufactured a product he knew will injure and kill people, (and who's product has done exactly that), get thrown in prison?

Besides, as The Omega said, Marx's theory on owning of the propery.

Punishment has ALWAYS been less inflicted on those with higher social status.

Well, that is quite the opposite of what you said to begin with though: "(ie, does capitalism require 'removal' of anything which stands in the way of its smooth operation, like for example, poor people)."

And that's not true, poor people do not concern capitalism, murderers and rapist totally don't...so why lock them away? Only to protect society, not the system.

Originally posted by The Omega
I could go Marx&ENgels on you and the entire concept of PROPERTY! What is the reason for example, that violent crimes are often punished far less harshly than, say, theft and robbery?

I guess because our society values property quite a bit,
Although I don't know about that what violent crimes are you referring to?