well to explain: Iceman has ALWAYS been an omega level mutant. He just never showed it. He can rarely grasp the level of power he truely has. Better put at times he his mind tries to resist the scope of his power. Read the comic I sent you leo. It reveals alot
Proof:
http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever3p203wr.jpg
Originally posted by Soujaboy
This should tell allhttp://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/JuggyandIceman.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/JuggyandWolverine.jpg
as for this, this was Iceman goin brute vs brute. He has so many other options that this was just the stupidest one against some like Juggs.
Then again
http://img458.imageshack.us/my.php?image=icemanblastsjuggy8ks.jpg
Originally posted by Soleran
Yes now instead of Iceman just blasting Juggernaut with an iceblast, instead he instantly freezesnaps Juggs and not only brain freezes him (which could supposedly affect him, its his mind after all) he can slow Juggs molecules down to almost most zero activity, Juggs isn't moving quickly🙂
as long as his helm his mind should be alright besides magic trumps mutant abiltys
Originally posted by He-guy88
as long as his helm his mind should be alright besides magic trumps mutant abiltys
Juggs can be slowed just not stopped, there is a difference. Bobby could essentially do just that slow him down to nothing just about.
Once that happens he knocks off his helmet and BAM MEGA brain freeze!
Slurpees got nothing on the Iceman for brainfreeze's!
Originally posted by Soleran
Juggs can be slowed just not stopped, there is a difference. Bobby could essentially do just that slow him down to nothing just about.Once that happens he knocks off his helmet and BAM MEGA brain freeze!
Slurpees got nothing on the Iceman for brainfreeze's!
oh yea thats agreed but i dont see how bobby gets his helm off
Originally posted by leonidas
if his molecules stop moving, HE stops moving. period. thing is, CAn bobbyb do it? juggs has no defense against it, it would simply be bobby trying to override the gem's power. and he did overcome the stranger . . .
I've been thinking about that and perhaps it isn't so much an issue of Bobby overpowering the ring as it is a question of stamina. My point being that the gem is constantly feeding Juggy power (kinetic energy in this case) while Bobby would be constantly trying to drain it. So while Bobby might be able to slow or even stop Juggernaut for a time, I would think that eventually the mental strain would get to him and Juggy would move forward.
The problem I see here is that a general rule of thumb here is source of powers. Iceman is calling upon his powers while Cain is constantly being supplied by a Very powerful Magical God. It is normally safe to say Magic trumps the realms of science because basically that is what magic was designed in comics to do.
Originally posted by TheKahn
I've been thinking about that and perhaps it isn't so much an issue of Bobby overpowering the ring as it is a question of stamina. My point being that the gem is constantly feeding Juggy power (kinetic energy in this case) while Bobby would be constantly trying to drain it. So while Bobby might be able to slow or even stop Juggernaut for a time, I would think that eventually the mental strain would get to him and Juggy would move forward.
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you must have been reading my mind as i posted. i had the same thought -- though i attributed it to a constant feed of magical, as opposed to kinetic energy. which led me to wonder if he could freeze the gem itself . . . but then is the gem constantly replenished? and since it has no moisture in it, could he even affect it? he DID affect energy which ALSO has no moisture, and the celestial tech, again no moisture so i don't really know . . . again. 🙁
regardless, if he COULD freeze juggs, it WOULD stop him, at least for as long as bobby could maintain his concentration. after all, the gem works THROUGH cain. thus bobby would be stopping the unstoppable -- at least for a time.
and no one ever did answer my question -- when juggs bashed through his ice powers, WAS that omega level bobby?????
Originally posted by leonidas
😆you must have been reading my mind as i posted. i had the same thought -- though i attributed it to a constant feed of magical, as opposed to kinetic energy. which led me to wonder if he could freeze the gem itself . . . but then is the gem constantly replenished? and since it has no moisture in it, could he even affect it? he DID affect energy which ALSO has no moisture, and the celestial tech, again no moisture so i don't really know . . . again. 🙁
regardless, if he COULD freeze juggs, it WOULD stop him, at least for as long as bobby could maintain his concentration. after all, the gem works THROUGH cain. thus bobby would be stopping the unstoppable -- at least for a time.
and no one ever did answer my question -- when juggs bashed through his ice powers, WAS that omega level bobby?????
Good point, although I did post theory of how Iceman was able to freeze energy in you "Iceman Freezing" thread. To quote Blair Wind, Iceman has always been an omega level mutant as the omega designation is only a measure of potential and not ability. His skills have varied over the years according to his experience and practice, but his "ultimate" potential has remained the same.
Originally posted by leonidasand no one ever did answer my question -- when juggs bashed through his ice powers, WAS that omega level bobby?????
Let me explain further on what Kahn said.
An omega level mutant might not know how to use his powers correctly as the scope of those powers are too great for even them to realize (two examples being Iceman and Elixir). In the beginning all Iceman could do was throw snowballs. However, by going to the past we have seen that Xavier has said that Iceman was an omega level mutant (on his computer files) and time and again we have heard that Iceman has so much potential but squanders it away. He is the classic underachiever. Fortunately he has had various helpers along the way (Loki, Emma, Rasputin, Prosh) to let him gain a greater control and understanding to his powers.
Also Omega Level Mutants (most importantly concerning what Xavier said) are ones with no limit to their powers. The evolution of their powers can continue to grow, and they are the evolutionary vanguards to a glimpse of what mutants can grow to be (greater than a cosmic beings)
To show you a reference point:
Iceman has unlimited resources when concerning his powers. He has continued to grow into his powers, even if sometimes he doesnt understand them. He is an Omega Level mutant
Elixir can heal people with just a touch. However, it has been stated that he can do so much more, it is just that healing is the easiest use of his powers (Sort of like Iceman when all he could do was snowballs). He is an Omega level mutant
Jean Grey is a powerful telekinetic/telepathic women. She is host to the Pheonix form. She is also an Omega level mutant
Magneto is extremely powerful. However his powers have limits. He his deemed an Alpha level mutant
Xavier is arguable the best telepath in the world (not in raw power, but technique) He is only an Alpha level mutant
The list goes down in Omega, Alpha, Beta, ect ect depending on how powerful they are, how much they can do with that power, and in how many uses it can be applied to.
Does that help any Leo?
i get the omega thing, but no your description doesn't help because i could show a scan of thor breaking iceman's shield with a love tap while he was snowman bobby. he was still 'omega' there as well. technically.
i mean was he actualized -- reaching some of his potential -- in that scene where jugg's was busting him up?
