Street Levellers who can beat Wolverine

Originally posted by jinzin
as well, you can't say i would do more damage then a brick shot... the thing is ryu's hard pressed to keep those level punches coming at the consistency that a guy like spiderman has going...
I mean shang chi can amp himself to spidey levels to fight people with chi as well..
iron fist even moreso...
wolverine beat shang like garbage, he took down kun lun (IF on steroids) like it was a joke... ogun is capible of killing a waterbuffalo with a solid slap but he can't put down wolverine, there's far more proof that wolverine won't be MORE effected by ryu's punches because they're made up of chi than the opposite... you're just giving ryu's hits the benefit of the doubt there..

Ryu can keep his top performance levels going for an indefinite amount of time. He went jogging with a huge boulder on his back. That's not just a strength feat, that's a strength feat followed by an endurance feat. Ryu jogged down a loooong stretch of road carrying the boulder, with Oro on top of it. And after Ryu got to the next town he got into a fight with a 30 foot tall giant and beat him. If that doesn't display some sort of superhuman stamina I dont know what does.

Originally posted by jinzin
theorized by whom?

Another reason many believe Ryu has untold energy reserves is because he has as much power by Third Strike normally as he had as Evil Ryu during Alpha 3. Satsui no Hado Ryu does have an endless supply of power. If Ryu is naturally that strong now (without using the killing intent) then he has pretty much an endless supply of power. Put thoughts of the Street Fighter Alpha Movie out of your mind. Evil Ryu (When Ryu is not trying to fight out of it) has no power limits. He can shoot as many beams of vaporizing energy as he wants. Go read some of the Japanese Street Fighter mangas. Evil Ryu can shoot out 5 beams of ki at once no problem.

Originally posted by jinzin
so far every time ryu really lets loose with his chi energy it drains the shit out of him and he passes out.... or is exhausted.

Ryu also fired off more than one big Hadou Ken in a row. In the woods Ryu fired off one and had another charged and ready to go.

By the end of the Alpha Move Normal Ryu (No evil intent) Does a blast 100 times more impressive than the Evil Ryu vaporizing shot. Honestly, the thing was straight out of Dragon Ball Z. He vaporized that guy, while overcoming (and getting hit by) a Satsui no Hadou blast, from farther away than the first vaporize blast, and he was perfectly fine afterwards. Ryu didn't even use the Evil Intent and did a blast more impressive, and suffered no ill effects. So no, large blasts do not drain Ryu.

Originally posted by jinzin
he was shown dodging gunfire from one gunmen... (who was scared shitless BTW) using a handgun... again.. this may be impressive to real world people like you and me.. but for marvel and dc street levels.. guys who hop around lazers and the sort.. it just.. isn't....

Originally posted by jinzin
Ryu is a normal human though...

Originally posted by jinzin
which is why you're giving ryu the benefi of the doubt?

Originally posted by jinzin
spiderman has one-punched down titanium steel doors.. the only time ryu did anything close to that was in a comic which isn't usebale as per your wishes...

Originally posted by jinzin
his firball is a firball.. it does have a decent destructive capaibility but it lacks the stopping power to put wolverine down... and it's draining on ryu.

I have an example of Ryu without SnH throwing a bigger blast and suffering no side effects.

Originally posted by jinzin
being more powerful = faster?

Originally posted by jinzin
besies.. maybe sonic boom SHOULD be as fast as sound.. but in every media it's much slower than say bullets even...

Originally posted by jinzin
as fast as lazers? cause the'll need to be to hit wolverine..

Originally posted by jinzin
and these smaller one's have no stopping power.. can't even stop balrog...

Originally posted by jinzin
the bigger ones wipe him out.. again I don't see anything of his that proves more impressive than what wolverine's already stood up to, and walked through in the past...

Ryu also disintigrated another SnH user while not using the power himself.

Originally posted by jinzin
that was the biggest hadoken he had, and it left him in a really weakened state.. my point exactly..

More stuff about Ryu from Japanese Street Fighter Sources:

Durability:

Ryu Final Manga:

Ryu is thrown through a couple houses by a giant and he gets right back up.

Ryu gets impaled by Gouki and continues to fight with Gouki's hand shoved through his chest, blasting a hole through Gouki and then char broiling him to win the fight. He survives being impaled too. Comes back at the end of the book with a big smile on his face.

Street Fighter Zero:

Ryu gets shot twice in the chest by high calibur bullets. He simply ejects the bullets back out through the holes. Holes stop bleeding and heal in a few panels.

Ryu gets hit by a Psycho Crusher the size and length of a bullet train, traveling at about the same speed. He is plowed through a city by the attack.

Ryu is rammed through a skyscraper, an 18 wheeler, and about 100 yards of pavement. He is fine.

Strength feats:

Ryu Final - goes jogging with 20 ton boulder and old man on his back. Does this for unknown distance, but nearest town is very far off in the distance, at least a couple of miles.

Giant the size of some Sentinels stomps on Ryu and Ryu stands up, while Giant's weight is on top of him.

Twist punches a punch from Dudley (Think Balrog, but actually good, with skill.) so hard he tears every muscle in the mans arm and disintigrates his glove, Dudley's glove, and his gi top from the force.

Shatters a boulder the size of a small car with his fist.

Punches Gouki so hard he melts. (Dont know how thats a strength feat, but it was cool as hell.)

Zero Manga: -

Tunnels through a yacht using a hurricane kick.

Punches through reinforced steel wall.

Flings a 300 pound man around like a yo yo with a 20 foot long chain.

Stops Bison's Super Psycho Crusher (bullet train version) by digging his heels into the pavement and hitting Bison once.

Hurricane Kicks Bison up through a 60 story building.

Punches Bison straight up about 200 feet and then propels him through Bison's MASSIVE airship. Force of punch obliterates airship and causes Hiroshima-esque explosion, nearly destroying the city.

Don't get me started on the Hong Kong comics.

That version of Ryu is comparable to Dragon Ball and Superman.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
everyone on that list is pretty debatable, except for a few obvious ones but I think wolverine is a match for DS without prep, or cap, or dd ,or Batman. Actully with most of them it would be some close fights except KK who should not be there at all. I couldn't say about thing since so many of there meetings are contradictory. One minute he can't stab thing , the next he can.

the only time he hasn't been able to stab thing was in a non canon storyline.. other than that.. thing gets stabbed.. hulk gets stabbed, everybody gets stabbed...

Originally posted by King KAM
besides his official marvel bio?? okay...http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=camedusaeffect0493yw.jpg http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=camedusaeffect0506wg.jpg
he knocks down a THICK steel door, and dents it up something NASTY

and here he bends the wingflap on a jet http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericavol310198ae.jpg

batmans one kicked a steel door down before.. he's not a class five character either..

Originally posted by King KAM
cap,made iron fist look like a Noob.....

Iron Fist>Shang chi....AND it was iron fists own Series.

and this means what again?

🤨

i mean seriously...

lets review... wolverine who wasn't even trying didn't get put down by iron fist.. and then there was THIS little incident...

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Originally posted by King KAM
how strong do you have to be to dent a steel door about 8 inches thick???

Originally posted by King KAM
wolverine didnt show better skill, he is just more durable and has an admantium skeleton, Capt had the better skill, he sent wolverine through a car for godsake

he didn't claim he showed better skill he said that wolverine came out on top.. and he did.. of course cap showed better skill wolverine was werewolfed out.

Originally posted by riceroost
Has Wolverine ever been hit by the actual Iron Fist? I can't find my copy of the fight with Kun Lun, so I dont know how Wolverine handled the actual Iron Fist attack itself.

Originally posted by riceroost
Ryu can keep his top performance levels going for an indefinite amount of time. He went jogging with a huge boulder on his back. That's not just a strength feat, that's a strength feat followed by an endurance feat. Ryu jogged down a loooong stretch of road carrying the boulder, with Oro on top of it. And after Ryu got to the next town he got into a fight with a 30 foot tall giant and beat him. If that doesn't display some sort of superhuman stamina I dont know what does.

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the thing is, if spiderman who would easily be able to reproduce this feat get's tired while fighting wolverine and wolverine's still fresh.. well..... the same would most likely apply to ryu as well.

Originally posted by riceroost
It is theorized that Ryu has an endless supply of ki because Bison wanted Ryu for his new host body in the story of Street Fighter Alpha 3. During Alpha 3 Bison had God-Like power and was fed a constant supply of Psycho energy by his Psycho Drive. The drive warped the negative emotions of people and turned it into Psycho power. Bison's original body was breaking down because he could not handle the huge amounts of power he was using. Bison found Ryu and proclaimed him the perfect host body because Ryu was able to channel and use more power/ki than anyone else in the world.

Originally posted by riceroost
Another reason many believe Ryu has untold energy reserves is because he has as much power by Third Strike normally as he had as Evil Ryu during Alpha 3. Satsui no Hado Ryu does have an endless supply of power. If Ryu is naturally that strong now (without using the killing intent) then he has pretty much an endless supply of power.

Originally posted by riceroost
Ryu fell once after using a huge amount of energy and that was in the Alpha Movie, which was not cannon street fighter. Ryu also didn't pass out, he fell over. He gets back up in the next scene. Ryu was drained by trying to pull out of the Satsui no Hadou. Fighting the urge to let it take over was what drained Ryu, not the blast.
Ryu also fired off more than one big Hadou Ken in a row. In the woods Ryu fired off one and had another charged and ready to go.
By the end of the Alpha Move Normal Ryu (No evil intent) Does a blast 100 times more impressive than the Evil Ryu vaporizing shot. Honestly, the thing was straight out of Dragon Ball Z. He vaporized that guy, while overcoming (and getting hit by) a Satsui no Hadou blast, from farther away than the first vaporize blast, and he was perfectly fine afterwards. Ryu didn't even use the Evil Intent and did a blast more impressive, and suffered no ill effects. So no, large blasts do not drain Ryu.

aside from the fact that this doesn't matter since you x-ed the use of non canon material (which is odd since you were in favor of using non-canon material when it came to wolverine vs. slade 🙄..) Yeah ryu was drained of power and getting his ass kicked and yes he did create an immense blast thereafter but as to whether or not he was able to fight after that remains a mystery...

Originally posted by riceroost
I used this example because Capcom officially commented on that scene in the anime. If you do want more impressive speed feats, they are around. Ryu dodged 5 or 6 men all firing at him in the Alpha Manga Vol. 1. He also weaves in and out between the bullets of an automatic weapon in the same book. He also displays crazy speed feats like a pinball by streakin across a single panel 5 times.

i thought you don't want to use non-canon sources..

?

Originally posted by riceroost
Clearly not.

Originally posted by riceroost
I am giving Ryu the benefit of the doubt because I have little official Capcom info to go on. If I were to back up my argument with comic feats like you do I could use the Chinese SF comics Where Ryu comes back from the dead, re-attaches severed body parts, punches hard enough to rip holes in reality, kills gods, and causes tidal waves in the middle of his fights. Then your argument would really be screwed.

Originally posted by riceroost
Alright fine, we'll use comics. In the Street Fighter Zero vol. 2 Manga, written by Masahiko Nakahira, Ryu punches M. Bison through an airship the size of the SHIELD Helicarrier. The force of the blow destroys the air ship and makes an explosion that is so large Rose has to shield the city from the force of the blast. There, Ryu's punching power puts Spider-Man's to shame. Ryu also wasn't using the Satsui no Hadou for this feat. What gives this feat credibility is that the writer created the character Karin Kanzuki, who Capcom used for Alpha 3, , Capcom uses many of his story ideas for the factual Street Fighter storyline, and the Street Fighter Zero Manga Vol. 1 that he wrote was adapted into what would become the Street Fighter Alpha animated movie.

Originally posted by riceroost
I think I've already proved that Ryu is not drained by throwing huge fireballs. You have one example that is very questionable because it could have been the strain of fighting the SnH that caused him to collapse.

Originally posted by riceroost
I meant that Ryu's projectile is better than Guile's in every way. It is larger, more destructive, and faster.

Originally posted by riceroost
Capcom has stated that the games do not allow for the actual abilities of the characters. And considering how fast the sonic boom moves it would be impractical to portray it that fast in media because you wouldn't be able to see it. Doesn't matter anyway, as Capcom has stated that it does move that fast.

Originally posted by riceroost
Wolverine can dodge lazers, but he gets hit by them a lot too. We both know this to be true. Another problem is the size of the blasts that Ryu can throw. Hard to dodge a blast that can get to be 10 feet wide, especially when the guy can throw more than one.

Originally posted by riceroost
Using an example from the American Street Fighter comic, which has a significantly weaker Ryu than the one we see in Japanese comics. You know Japan, where the character was created. Ryu is able to knock out Adon with a simple Hadou Ken, and anyone will tell you that Adon is a hell of a lot better fighter than Balrog. Adon has beaten Sagat. This is also a very young Ryu. He's like 18 in the American comics. The Ryu I'm talking about is in his mid-thirties, is noramlly as powerful as Evil Ryu, learning from a god-like teacher who is so good he only fights with one arm, and has telekenesis, can prolong his life, and has the ability to throw a friggin Spirit Bomb.

Originally posted by riceroost
Once again, he throws big ones with no ill effects when he was 18 without using the SnH. They dont drain him at all. Ryu was also able to twice destroy a super durable cyborg with a HEALING FACTOR that had the SnH power itself, using only one big shot both times. If the blasts can destroy a cyborg with super durability and a self repair program on a level with anything Deathstrike has it should be able to hurt Wolverine.
Ryu also disintigrated another SnH user while not using the power himself.
By the end of the movie the same feat did not drain him at all.

if so there are plenty of examples of ryu getting tired or drained from energy use... if not that's fine but again using game ryu has sever problems in that he lacks significant feats to really say much about him...

ryu's fast-wolverine's as fast if not faster feat wise.
he's strong-not strong enough for what it takes to put wolverine down.
he's got enhanced stamina no doubt-wolverine will most likely have more.
he's got great energy projection- nothing that wolverine hasn't dodged, run into, stood up to or just taken and kept going before.
he's not guaranteed wolverine to go down even with a direct hit-wolverine can't say the same about him
ryu can't heal from the damage done to him-wolverine can
ryu is one of the most skilled in SF-wolverine's one of the most skilled in the MU.
ryu's an experienced fighter-wolverine's got way more experience in fighting, training in more disciplines as well.

the only real thing that ryu has on wolverine that we know for sure is range and even then how effective that ranged attack will be is entirely debateable.. ryu's a beast, but beastly enough to take the majority vs. wolverine? I seriously just can't possibly think that considering all that he has to overcome to put wolverine down...
(don't get me wrong, I understand technically you didn't say ryu WOULD take the majority in your assessment earlier, I'm just making a point here)

I think ryu CAN take logan.. just not the majority.... if it wasn't for logan's durability and damage soak that would be one thing but...

Hm? If we take into account the fact that he....repelled(?) bullets, and still fought with someone's hand through his chest, I would say he could probably take a hit or two from Wolverine.

Going upon what has been discussed in this thread (I was never a HUGE street figher fan, apart from the old SNES games), Ryu is MUCH stronger. Sure, Wolverine is enhanced human, but I wouldn't put him above class 1 or 1.5. Ryu, on the other hand...well, let's do some quick calculations.

That stone looks like it is at least as tall as Ryu. 1.75m. It looks probably as deep as Ryu. 1.75m. Probably twice as long as ryu is tall. 3.5m. The common "stone" has a density of about 2515 kg/cubic meter (from memory). So....1.75*1.75*3.5 is about 10.7. Multiply by the density, you get about 27,000 kilograms. A quick conversion = 59,306.84 pounds. 29.65 tons. If Ryu could only LIFT that, he would be a class 30 character, but Ryu also goes JOGGING with it, for at least a mile, it seems?

I would say he is quite a bit(QUITE a bit) above a class 30 character, and comparing him to Spiderman is ridiculous, as he is no more than 15 or 20.

Now, as far as speed goes, I can only go with what I have read in this thread. It would seem that they are about equal, as both have dodged bullets, and both have "Streaked" across panels.

Durability? Certainly goes to Wolverine with his healing factor and Adamantium Skeleton. But not by much, I would say, considering Ryu has also laughed off bullets and fought with an arm stabbed through his body.

Damage-output-capacity? I would say Ryu, as he has VAPORIZED things that are MUCH less durable than Wolverine's body before. (Not including the skeleton). It really seems like Ryu could take every inch of flesh off of Wolverine's body with one of his more powerful attacks.

I would DEFINITELY give Ryu the majority. But that doesn't seem to matter much in this thread, since it seems as if Ryu is FAR beyond Street level (out-fighting gods? Destroying immense structures with chi? Class 50-60 MINIMUM? Not street level...)

Originally posted by Soljer
I would say he is quite a bit(QUITE a bit) above a class 30 character, and comparing him to Spiderman is ridiculous, as he is no more than 15 or 20.

Spider-Mans 25 to 30 now.

He went up in strength around the time he got organic webbing.

Originally posted by ST0RM SHAD0W
Spider-Mans 25 to 30 now.

He went up in strength around the time he got organic webbing.

he 20 ton's max and to be honest he has yet to be listed at 20 ton's, for the moment he only listed at 15 ton's

Originally posted by capt it up
dude not spiderman is not even close to 30 tons.

he 20 ton's max and to be honest he has yet to be listed at 20 ton's, for the moment he only listed at 15 ton's

Yes he is..

He hasn't been at 15 for a really long time.

He went up in strength during Paul Jenkins run on Peter Parker: Spider-Man.

There is no way Spiderman is a class 30 character. At most the upgrade's he has received would put him at 20. But it doesn't matter, because as far as comparing Ryu's strength to Spidermans? Spiderman is clearly outclassed.

Originally posted by jinzin
His jogging feat isn't anything spiderman couldn't easily reproduce and lets get real here.. ryu WAS tired from that feat, he's clearly shown to be stuggling at least a bit, and he even states that he might need a rest.

I fail to see why Ryu would ever get tired fighting Wolverine when he can lift a 20 ton boulder, balance it, and run several miles while still balancing it. This implies that either his max strength level is well beyond 20 tons or he has superhuman stamina.

A fight between these 2 wouldn't last all that long anyway. Either Ryu gets impaled (which may not stop him) or Wolverine gets vaporized. (which will stop him, at least for a short time.)

Originally posted by Soljer
Hm? If we take into account the fact that he....repelled(?) bullets, and still fought with someone's hand through his chest, I would say he could probably take a hit or two from Wolverine.

Going upon what has been discussed in this thread (I was never a HUGE street figher fan, apart from the old SNES games), Ryu is MUCH stronger. Sure, Wolverine is enhanced human, but I wouldn't put him above class 1 or 1.5. Ryu, on the other hand...well, let's do some quick calculations.

That stone looks like it is at least as tall as Ryu. 1.75m. It looks probably as deep as Ryu. 1.75m. Probably twice as long as ryu is tall. 3.5m. The common "stone" has a density of about 2515 kg/cubic meter (from memory). So....1.75*1.75*3.5 is about 10.7. Multiply by the density, you get about 27,000 kilograms. A quick conversion = 59,306.84 pounds. 29.65 tons. If Ryu could only LIFT that, he would be a class 30 character, but Ryu also goes JOGGING with it, for at least a mile, it seems?

I would say he is quite a bit(QUITE a bit) above a class 30 character, and comparing him to Spiderman is ridiculous, as he is no more than 15 or 20.

Now, as far as speed goes, I can only go with what I have read in this thread. It would seem that they are about equal, as both have dodged bullets, and both have "Streaked" across panels.

Durability? Certainly goes to Wolverine with his healing factor and Adamantium Skeleton. But not by much, I would say, considering Ryu has also laughed off bullets and fought with an arm stabbed through his body.

Damage-output-capacity? I would say Ryu, as he has VAPORIZED things that are MUCH less durable than Wolverine's body before. (Not including the skeleton). It really seems like Ryu could take every inch of flesh off of Wolverine's body with one of his more powerful attacks.

I would DEFINITELY give Ryu the majority. But that doesn't seem to matter much in this thread, since it seems as if Ryu is FAR beyond Street level (out-fighting gods? Destroying immense structures with chi? Class 50-60 MINIMUM? Not street level...)

i'd just like to point out that mandarin, cyclops, hulk, thing, and sentinals have all vaporized (more or less) things that are apparently more durable than logan's body.. but they haven't done the same to logan..

I'm pretty sure calculations for the boulder put it somewhere between 10 to 20 tons but not above, and finally I don't know about you but when I was a freshmen in highschool I could jog with a 200 pound fatty on my back but I was barely able to bench over 130. I'd say the mass I can carry on my back easily exceeds my pressing range.. but yes the fact that he did go joggin with it was impressive.

Originally posted by riceroost
When you go jogging with Spider-Man's max weight on your shoulders that puts you well beyond Spider-Man. If Ryu can go jogging for several miles with a 20 ton boulder on his head how would he get tired with no weight fighting Wolverine???

Originally posted by riceroost
Does Spider-Man go jogging with 20 ton weights?

Originally posted by riceroost
I've never seen him do anything like that for any length of time.

Originally posted by riceroost
lifting a 20 ton weight is super strength. lifting weight and running with it for a couple miles is super stamina.

where was the mileage quoted? I missed that...

and yeah I'm not arguing that he does have enhanced (or super if you want to get semantic about it) strength or stamina.. the fact is so does spiderman... hell so does sabretooth... wolverine however continues to beat these two all the time.

however I'm started to deviate.. here's the deal, even if it got the point that wolverine DID get tired, all he'd have to do is rest for few seconds and boom he's good as new. ryu doesn't have that same luxery.. once he gets tired that's it.... he'll just more likely get tired first.

Originally posted by riceroost
I fail to see why Ryu would ever get tired fighting Wolverine when he can lift a 20 ton boulder, balance it, and run several miles while still balancing it. This implies that either his max strength level is well beyond 20 tons or he has superhuman stamina.

Originally posted by riceroost
A fight between these 2 wouldn't last all that long anyway. Either Ryu gets impaled (which may not stop him) or Wolverine gets vaporized. (which will stop him, at least for a short time.)

Originally posted by Soljer

I would say he is quite a bit(QUITE a bit) above a class 30 character, and comparing him to Spiderman is ridiculous, as he is no more than 15 or 20.

no it's not.. you have no way of proving how heavy that boulder was because the weight of the boulder's contingent on the rock's density AND even if it was 20 tons spiderman's still got far better feats that EASILY outclass his own when it comes to picking things up on his back.

Originally posted by jinzin

I'm pretty sure calculations for the boulder put it somewhere between 10 to 20 tons but not above, and finally I don't know about you but when I was a freshmen in highschool I could jog with a 200 pound fatty on my back but I was barely able to bench over 130. I'd say the mass I can carry on my back easily exceeds my pressing range.. but yes the fact that he did go joggin with it was impressive.

If you want to go over my calculations, be my guest, but the average stone's density IS somewhere in the neighborhood of 2500 kilograms/cubic meter.

And Superhuman strength doesn't refer to bench pressing weight, I think it has been clarified to overhead-pressing. Lifting it, from the ground, to all the way over your head. Kinda like a snatch clean and jerk. Nothing like the bench press. I promise you that if you could press 130, you probably couldn't pick up that same weight from the ground and push it all the way over your head.

And there is NO way you would have been able to lift the fat-man over your head. Ryu isn't wearing the weight on him, it certainly looks as if he pressed it over head with his arms, and ran with it.

But you know, whatever.

Oh, and as far as "lifting weight on your back is not the same as pressing it.. you obviously need to review some of spiderman's more impressive lifting feats if you think he couldn't reproduce that feat.... spiderman's proven on at least several occasions that his 10 ton press range is easily outclassed by what he can hoist on his back. and again your giving the false representation that it was indeed 20 tons which is certainly once again giving ryu a huge benefit of the doubt.. we've had this discussion in the spiderman/ryu thread and even SF fans could agree that it was somewhere around 10.. or at the very least somewhere between 10 and 20 but 20? for sure? prove it? you can't.. even with calculations there's no way to say how dense that rock is which acounts for weight and once again we're left to givign ryu the ben of the doubt....

no, but on the other hand he's stopped a building from collapsing by oh that's right.. lifting it... and again you have no idea if that was 20 tons.. so why assume that it is?"

We just went over that "pressing" in the marvel strength sense of the word is overhead, not benching. Spiderman held that building of debris up with help from two other support collumns. And why assume that the boulder was far less than 20 tons when I just gave a reasonable, logical, mathematic proof that it was probably closer to thirty?

And yeah, I can relate as far as hitting the mats goes, I practice Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and it gets tiring as hell. But you know what? I can keep up my maximal output on the ground for a hell of a lot longer NOW than when I first started. Same as when I was in boxing. Three minute rounds on the heavy bag were hell. Now? I can go all out on a bag for quite a bit longer. That particular instance may not have been a truly magnificent representation of 'fighting'endurance, but I promise you Ryu has to hit maximal output for a lot longer than Wolverine normally does. Not particularly saying that he has more stamina or endurance (I don't think he does, the healing factor sees to that), but that it isn't as if Ryu is gonna be drained after a five minute fight. Or even a twenty minute one. Or a couple hours. He is used to things like that.

And your last sentence just seemed kind of insulting. "if ryu blasts wolverine with an all out hado ken (large blasts) perhaps.... I just don't think that's as likely to happen as say wolverine slicing him in the brain."

Despite the fact that Ryu can (apparently) fire SEVERAL 20-foot-wide engines of destruction that travel far faster than the speed of sound? Whereas, Ryu has also exhibited speed and reflexes in his fights to show that Wolverine WON'T get an easy 'speed blitz' win?

Hmmm...Wolverine's speed (which is only barely arguably faster than Ryu's, if that) versus Ryu staying on the defensive, at a distance, and firing TONS of land-scape levelling blasts wider than a bus, and travelling faster than sound?

I wonder which is more likely?

Originally posted by Soljer
If you want to go over my calculations, be my guest, but the average stone's density IS somewhere in the neighborhood of 2500 kilograms/cubic meter.

And Superhuman strength doesn't refer to bench pressing weight, I think it has been clarified to overhead-pressing. Lifting it, from the ground, to all the way over your head. Kinda like a snatch clean and jerk. Nothing like the bench press. I promise you that if you could press 130, you probably couldn't pick up that same weight from the ground and push it all the way over your head.

is it? I thought bench.. if it's shoulder pressing so be it... and yeah I know.. my shoulder press has never been on par with bench.. no one I know has.

Originally posted by Soljer
And there is NO way you would have been able to lift the fat-man over your head. Ryu isn't wearing the weight on him, it certainly looks as if he pressed it over head with his arms, and ran with it.

http://img400.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boulder209db.jpg

Originally posted by Soljer
We just went over that "pressing" in the marvel strength sense of the word is overhead, not benching. Spiderman held that building of debris up with help from two other support collumns. And why assume that the boulder was far less than 20 tons when I just gave a reasonable, logical, mathematic proof that it was probably closer to thirty?

because you're not accounting for the difference of density in different rocks.. here in this story (back when you could watch it) the boulder was said to be 15 to 20 tons..
http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=79605
and this boulder was easily as big if not bigger than the one ryu carries.. then of course there's this rock...
this is what 1/8 or 1/6 of the size of ryu's boulder and this rock only weighed 600 pounds..
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=5206427

again this argument is reliant what benefit we can give ryu without proof actually existing... it's not like I'm putting you at fault for that, i just can't give ryu the benefit of something that can't be proven...

Originally posted by Soljer
And yeah, I can relate as far as hitting the mats goes, I practice Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and it gets tiring as hell. But you know what? I can keep up my maximal output on the ground for a hell of a lot longer NOW than when I first started. Same as when I was in boxing. Three minute rounds on the heavy bag were hell. Now? I can go all out on a bag for quite a bit longer. That particular instance may not have been a truly magnificent representation of 'fighting'endurance, but I promise you Ryu has to hit maximal output for a lot longer than Wolverine normally does. Not particularly saying that he has more stamina or endurance (I don't think he does, the healing factor sees to that), but that it isn't as if Ryu is gonna be drained after a five minute fight. Or even a twenty minute one. Or a couple hours. He is used to things like that.

the thing is wolverine's been stated to put the equivolent of DAYS of nonstop combat into a few short miutes... if ryu slows down, even for a moment then he's lost out to wolverine's stamina.. it's a problem for ryu either way, short term or long.

Originally posted by Soljer
And your last sentence just seemed kind of insulting. "if ryu blasts wolverine with an all out hado ken (large blasts) perhaps.... I just don't think that's as likely to happen as say wolverine slicing him in the brain."

Originally posted by Soljer
Despite the fact that Ryu can (apparently) fire SEVERAL 20-foot-wide engines of destruction that travel far faster than the speed of sound?

Originally posted by Soljer
Whereas, Ryu has also exhibited speed and reflexes in his fights to show that Wolverine WON'T get an easy 'speed blitz' win?

Originally posted by Soljer
Hmmm...Wolverine's speed (which is only barely arguably faster than Ryu's, if that) versus Ryu staying on the defensive, at a distance, and firing TONS of land-scape levelling blasts wider than a bus, and travelling faster than sound?

oooohhhh I get it.. it's insulting because you have a built up representation of what you THINK ryu can do inspite of a lack of evidence which exists...

Originally posted by Soljer
I wonder which is more likely?