It interests me a lot because it shows a bunch of courageous warriors doing what they do best not giving a f*ck about the fact that they were outnumbered. (I'd say they got WTF PWNED!!!1! in the end tho, but still!)
I can't wait until they come out with a movie-adaptation of Steven Pressfield's "Gates of Fire". ✅
Originally posted by Neo_Version 7
I can't wait until they come out with a movie-adaptation of Steven Pressfield's "Gates of Fire". ✅
They'd probably screw it up. But I doubt it will happen as they are making a film based on Frank Miller's graphic novel '300'.
IMO, anyone who enters into nationalistic combat is a soldier.
People in modern militaries should be respected as well, thier combat form a tactical standpoint is far advanced beyond anything the Greeks put forth. Todays soldiers are more intelligent than the greek footsoldiers. Training is a part of the everday lives of modern soldiers too. Just because you dont fight hand to hand all the time doesnt make them any less "real."
Originally posted by Alliance
IMO, anyone who enters into nationalistic combat is a soldier.People in modern militaries should be respected as well, thier combat form a tactical standpoint is far advanced beyond anything the Greeks put forth. Todays soldiers are more intelligent than the greek footsoldiers. Training is a part of the everday lives of modern soldiers too. Just because you dont fight hand to hand all the time doesnt make them any less "real."
You are absolutely correct, except for the fact that the so-called "soldiers" of today, can kill a person miles away from them, by simply.."Shooting Them With A Gun Of Anysort".
Originally posted by Philip_ll
i wouldve loved to have been a hoplite soldier
Originally posted by Philip_ll
But i would rather be a real soldier. A soldier who trains every single day of his life, from the age of 10, until the day he dies, is what i wish i was.
Unfortunately I feel that you either have studied little about hoplite training/life, are not mature enough to grasp what you are wishing for, or you are a hopeless romantic who doesn't acknowledge the drudgery, extreme difficulties, harsh realities and brief lives punctuated by moments of sheer terror that were the norm for a hoplite soldier. It was even worse if you were a Spartan.
Originally posted by Philip_ll
You are absolutely correct, except for the fact that the so-called "soldiers" of today, can kill a person miles away from them, by simply.."Shooting Them With A Gun Of Anysort".
Your disrespect for modern soldiers is unwarranted and naive, your idealism of ancient soldiers is unrealistic and romanticised.
And if you so want to live the life of a soldier, in all it's nobility and hardships. If it is years of training, guarantee of close combat and hardship that you desire, then I suggest you join your countries military and work to be a part of their special forces.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Unfortunately I feel that you either have studied little about hoplite training/life, are not mature enough to grasp what you are wishing for, or you are a hopeless romantic who doesn't acknowledge the drudgery, extreme difficulties, harsh realities and brief lives punctuated by moments of sheer terror that were the norm for a hoplite soldier. It was even worse if you were a Spartan.Your disrespect for modern soldiers is unwarranted and naive, your idealism of ancient soldiers is unrealistic and romanticised.
And if you so want to live the life of a soldier, in all it's nobility and hardships. If it is years of training, guarantee of close combat and hardship that you desire, then I suggest you join your countries military and work to be a part of their special forces.
lol thats funny, since i did join my country's so-called "military". And i have also studied ancient history, which is what i'm in college for at the moment. And yes, i would rather be a hoplite soldier, than anything else. Unlike you wussies who would rather shoot guns from a distance.
Originally posted by Philip_ll
lol thats funny, since i did join my country's so-called "military". And i have also studied ancient history, which is what i'm in college for at the moment. And yes, i would rather be a hoplite soldier, than anything else. Unlike you wussies who would rather shoot guns from a distance.
Tell em bro!! 😍
The Spartian lifestyle was vicious and brutal and while Thermopylae was an incredible stand of courage...I use a quote from Conan.
"I've never prayed to you before, I have no tongue for it. Noone, but even you will remember why we fought, if we were good men or bad. All that matters is few stood against many."
I think that sums up Thermopylae: A story of courage, and a stand that saved all of Greece, but it wasn't simple whatsoever...I doubt many got past the itnense training or even made it to their forties
Well, it was kinda dumb from at tactical point of view.
Leonidas was a dumbass, they were unprotected in the back.
They only held 3 days against the persians, without athens Greece would have been lost 2 Persia, that would have changed the course of history DRAMATICALLY.
Kinda romantic and courageous tho, but I prefer the battle of Waterloo.
Originally posted by Philip_ll
lol thats funny, since i did join my country's so-called "military". And i have also studied ancient history, which is what i'm in college for at the moment.
You are 19 years old and already served in the military and are now going to college? That pretty good. I have never heard of someone completing their tour of duty and then getting into university within one year.
Generally you don't study specific history your first year of university either, mostly just survey courses.
I have studied much history myself, particularly anciant greek and ancient roman. I find that anyone who has also studied these subjects knows enough that they would never want to be a roman legionary or greek hoplite. It isn't a matter of cowardice, but simply a matter of common sense.
Originally posted by Philip_ll
And yes, i would rather be a hoplite soldier, than anything else. Unlike you wussies who would rather shoot guns from a distance.
You say that your educated, but you act very immature and show great signs of stupidity. You acuse the rest of the forum for being wussies for not wanting to die an early and most painful death after living a tortuos and hard life? That is immature and stupid. Second, you presuppose that we would rather shoot people from a distance, this would mean that we had any desire to kill at all. Grow up, you are making a fool out of yourself. I would much prefer an intelligent conversation about this subject.
Originally posted by Da preacher
Well, it was kinda dumb from at tactical point of view.
Leonidas was a dumbass, they were unprotected in the back.
There was little need for protection in the rear as the pass was so narrow and Leonidas gave little thought to a greek betraying his own people. Also, Leonidas gave little thought to a rear attack as it was a suicide mission anyway.
Originally posted by Da preacher
They only held 3 days against the persians, without athens Greece would have been lost 2 Persia, that would have changed the course of history DRAMATICALLY.3 days was long enough for the city states of Greece to begin to unite and organize. That was what Thermopylae was all about.
[QUOTE=6637983]Originally posted by Da preacher
[B]Kinda romantic and courageous tho,
I agree, it is a battle that defines what a Spartan strived to be.
Leonidas was a great king...And a great warrior....I even mentioned him in the "Greatest Leaders thread".
Although the Spartans were brave and fought till their death, they are not the ones people should be looking at. They were trained to do that. That was their way of life. The true heroes are the Thespians. It takes more courage to look death in the eye when you're not trained then to look death in the eye when your a warrior at heart.
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
Leonidas was a great king...And a great warrior....I even mentioned him in the "Greatest Leaders thread".Although the Spartans were brave and fought till their death, they are not the ones people should be looking at. They were trained to do that. That was their way of life. The true heroes are the Thespians. It takes more courage to look death in the eye when you're not trained then to look death in the eye when your a warrior at heart.
While I will disagree and say that the Spartans were heroic, I will agress that the Thespians (and others who contributed) should be recognizd for not only their valour, but also for the courage that they mustered whereas it seemed to be a natural commodity among the Spartan ranks.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
While I will disagree and say that the Spartans were heroic, I will agress that the Thespians (and others who contributed) should be recognizd for not only their valour, but also for the courage that they mustered whereas it seemed to be a natural commodity among the Spartan ranks.
I said the Spartans had courage...But the Thespians opted to stay behind, and fight to the death. The Spartans knew it was a suicide mission before going into battle, and they were prepared for it. The Thespians however, stayed behind and fought with their fellow Greeks when they could have gone ahead.
For you to say that i accused the rest of the forum of being wussies, is a total lie. Secondly, i never stated that i completed a tour of duty. Read before you type please. And yes, i am a full-time student. As far you not wanting to engage in a discussion, there is an option called "ignore".
King Leonidas knew exactly what he was doing. He didnt go into battle thinking that he would be victorious. Keep in mind that the Spartans were kinda discourged by the fact that they werent able to contribute at Marathon and share in the glory of victory. They vowed to never let that happen again, under any circumstances.
Originally posted by Philip_ll
For you to say that i accused the rest of the forum of being wussies, is a total lie.
Originally posted by Philip_ll
Unlike you wussies who would rather shoot guns from a distance.
The general application of the words "you wussies" categorizes everyone (other than you) partaking of this discussion. Even if you were directing that comment to one person it is ridiculous because no one has made a statement that would expose such a characteristic of their personality.
Originally posted by Philip_ll
Secondly, i never stated that i completed a tour of duty. Read before you type please.
Or communicate in a more clear manner. Are you still in active service? Did you flunk out? Was it just a casdet program that you were involved with?
Originally posted by Philip_ll
And yes, i am a full-time student. As far you not wanting to engage in a discussion, there is an option called "ignore"./B]
To ignore you would not progress the discussion any further, by not behaving like a child you would further the discussion.
Originally posted by Philip_ll
[B]King Leonidas knew exactly what he was doing. He didnt go into battle thinking that he would be victorious. Keep in mind that the Spartans were kinda discourged by the fact that they werent able to contribute at Marathon and share in the glory of victory. They vowed to never let that happen again, under any circumstances.
Excellent point.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
You say that your educated, but you act very immature and show great signs of stupidity. You acuse the rest of the forum for being wussies for not wanting to die an early and most painful death after living a tortuos and hard life? That is immature and stupid. Second, you presuppose that we would rather shoot people from a distance, this would mean that we had any desire to kill at all. Grow up, you are making a fool out of yourself. I would much prefer an intelligent conversation about this subject.