Originally posted by Xavius
Actually, I'm pretty sure Dooku would pimpslap Maul when it comes to dueling.
Originally posted by Razielim
[b]Really? is this the same Maul who nearly bested Sidious in a duelSource please. [/B]
*sigh*
When Sidious took Maul as an apprentice, Maul was stranded on a remote planet for several days, with a dozen or so droids sent after him. Maul destroyed them all. Sidious returned, and forced Maul to face a final challenge. He had to duel Sidious.
Sidious beat him, and then he lied to Maul - saying that he had trained another apprentice because Maul was too week. Maul was then infuriated and attacked Sidious, and nearly bested him.
Originally posted by Xavius
Actually, I'm pretty sure Dooku would pimpslap Maul when it comes to dueling.
Meh. Honestly?
Darth Maul is far younger, stronger, more agile, and can fight better than Count Dooku.
Count Dooku is a much stronger Force-user, and his lightsaber style would be the thing that would give him his edge. In a contest of the Force, I think he'd pwn Maul.
But in a sheer lightsaber fight? I dunno. Maul fights a lot like Yoda, and by that I mean, he uses his speed and agility (and his martial arts skills) to overpower opponents like Dooku, who attempt to remain stationary and who aren't as fast.
Dooku is more powerful, but in dueling, he wouldn't own Maul.
Originally posted by DePWNZOR
Maul beats any version of Assaj.
Doubtfully, Asajj in Obsession might be able to overcome him.
He's a Sith
Okay? And Sith have been beaten before.
and is cooler
Agreed, however, I don't see how being "cool" will influence the fight.
has a better weapon
Uh, can't Asajj attach her blades?
Originally posted by Escape81
Meh. Honestly?Darth Maul is far younger, stronger, more agile, and can fight better than Count Dooku.
Count Dooku is a much stronger Force-user, and his lightsaber style would be the thing that would give him his edge. In a contest of the Force, I think he'd pwn Maul.
But in a sheer lightsaber fight? I dunno. Maul fights a lot like Yoda, and by that I mean, he uses his speed and agility (and his martial arts skills) to overpower opponents like Dooku, who attempt to remain stationary and who aren't as fast.
Dooku is more powerful, but in dueling, he wouldn't own Maul.
More agile? I'm sorry to say, but age doesn't matter in a duel. Dooku has a vista of experience at his hands, you must remember. And his energy within the force powers him to be stronger, faster and more agile. And since you state that Dooku is a more powerful force adept, then he should have no problems applying that force to thrive his body.
Dooku flipped over a balcony and sent Anakin flying into a wall with a near effortless back kick. You cannot tell me he lacks speed and strength.
Dooku has the experience and the mastery of the dueling Lightsaber style that I think would completely overpower Maul.
Really? is this the same Maul who nearly bested Sidious in a duel, defeated Qui-Gon Jinn, one of the Order's finest swordsmen, and Anoon Bondara, who was said to be the best Jedi with a blade in the entire order? No, Dooku's better but not by alot.
By my memory, Dooku tooled the Jedi Master that defeated Maul when he was a Padawan. I don't remember where it stated he was one of the Greatest Duelists. One of the Greatest JEDI at the time, yes, but not the greatest duelist.
More agile? I'm sorry to say, but age doesn't matter in a duel.
Tell that to Count Dooku's beheaded corpse on Invisible Hand.
Dooku has a vista of experience at his hands, you must remember. And his energy within the force powers him to be stronger, faster and more agile. And since you state that Dooku is a more powerful force adept, then he should have no problems applying that force to thrive his body.
If that were the case, Qui-Gon would've been able to be more agile and stronger than Maul. He wasn't. Neither was Obi-Wan.
Hell, consider. Obi-Wan wasn't as fast, agile, or as strong as Grievous. And Grievous has no real strength in the Force.
Dooku flipped over a balcony and sent Anakin flying into a wall with a near effortless back kick. You cannot tell me he lacks speed and strength.
Never said he lacked it, did I? I said Maul had more.
Dooku has the experience and the mastery of the dueling Lightsaber style that I think would completely overpower Maul.
I disagree. I don't think that Dooku could simply swing twice and Maul would fall over dead. Dooku would probably best him in a sheer duel, but not without difficulty.
Dooku can fight like hell. I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about. Watch the part in RotS where Dooku takes out Kenobi closely. He kicks Anakin back into a wall, taking him out for about five seconds, while keeping a strong grip on Kenobi, then while Anakin was down, threw Kenobi into a rail, knocking him out. This shows that Dooku not only has a quick and creative mind, but has strong focus. He also has mastered Makashi, which is basically the dueling form, which could almost immediately topple the mighty Obi-Wan Kenobi's Soresu mastery. And since when has the type of weapon had anything to do with anything? Grievous had four freakin' sabers, but Obi-Wan crashed through them like scissors and paper. Dooku could incinerate Maul, there's no doubt there.
As for the Maul vs Ventress fight, Ventress as of Obsession has a 60:50 chance of beating Maul. She managed to send Obi-Wan straight out of a building, which is skill in my opinion. The other forms of Asajj, however, I doubt could quite defeat Maul.
Originally posted by Escape81
Tell that to Count Dooku's beheaded corpse on Invisible Hand.
It's reasonable to assume, by your reaction of course, that you think age could actually matter in a duel? Especially by the boundaries set upon the Star Wars Universe? Ridiculous. That's pure fallacy, Escape.
Kit Fisto VS Dooku
"Well, I guess Kit would take this because Count Dooku is old."
Y'know, saying that someone would lose a duel while not basing it upon skill but basing it upon age differential could be considered logical fallacy.
Dooku was simply outmaneuvered by Anakin. It had nothing to with age, but it had lots to do with skill.
If that were the case, Qui-Gon would've been able to be more agile and stronger than Maul. He wasn't. Neither was Obi-Wan.Hell, consider. Obi-Wan wasn't as fast, agile, or as strong as Grievous. And Grievous has no real strength in the Force.
Qui Gon didn't manipulate to force to strengthen his body. Dark side adepts do that, not Jedi. Jedi do not use the force to generate power throughout themselves, or they wouldn't be Jedi. Your statement is invalid.
Never said he lacked it, did I? I said Maul had more.
Sure he does, but that doesn't mean he's going to put up a good fight. Dooku is pretty damn fast and powerful for his ages, that's undeniable. Maul has the upperhand on that particular classification. Dooku has also mastered a Lightsaber to Lightsaber dueling form. Dooku managed to maintain himself with Yoda, he has bested Mace, he has tooled Kenobi completely and defeated Anakin once in the past. He's pretty damn good. Just because Maul is faster and more powerful doesn't make him good.
It's all about technique. Sure, Maul is fast and he's muscular and powerful, but Dooku has years of experience dueling with his form, he's had a taste of both the Jedi and Sith ways of utilizing the force and he's pretty fast, flexible and powerful himself. Maul isn't going to put up a very long fight, to be honest.
I disagree. I don't think that Dooku could simply swing twice and Maul would fall over dead. Dooku would probably best him in a sheer duel, but not without difficulty.
I think Dooku would utterly ravage and destroy Maul in a Lightsaber Duel and a Force duel.
Originally posted by Flammable Fun
Dooku can fight like hell. I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about. Watch the part in RotS where Dooku takes out Kenobi closely. He kicks Anakin back into a wall, taking him out for about five seconds, while keeping a strong grip on Kenobi, then while Anakin was down, threw Kenobi into a rail, knocking him out. This shows that Dooku not only has a quick and creative mind, but has strong focus. He also has mastered Makashi, which is basically the dueling form, which could almost immediately topple the mighty Obi-Wan Kenobi's Soresu mastery. And since when has the type of weapon had anything to do with anything? Grievous had four freakin' sabers, but Obi-Wan crashed through them like scissors and paper. Dooku could incinerate Maul, there's no doubt there.As for the Maul vs Ventress fight, Ventress as of Obsession has a 60:50 chance of beating Maul. She managed to send Obi-Wan straight out of a building, which is skill in my opinion. The other forms of Asajj, however, I doubt could quite defeat Maul.
Don't you mean 60:40? 😄