Companions of the hall vs Wolverine and Daredevil with a twist

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riceroost Senior Member

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Hmm..
Ok, let's try this again.
A. Wolverine has no claws for this fight.

Wolverine can knock out people almost as tough as the Hulk with his bare hands.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
B. From second 1 of the fight, Wolverine is in pitch darkness and unable to see. Two magical scimitars stab him about a dozen times before he can figure out what's going on. He is then tackled by a 600 pound intelligent magical cat. Fighting Guen is a lot different than fighting an irrational and largely stupid bear. Guen would pwn the bear just as easily as Logan did.

No assurance that Wolverine will be the one in darkness. He could try and tag Matt. Even if Wolverine is hit he still has other enhanced senses that ensure he is far from helpless. Wolverine can dodge optic blasts without looking by sensing the pressure. Same applies for Drizzit. He probably will tag Wolverine, but he's not going to put him down and he wont be able to slip away before Wolverine has zoned in on him with his other senses, locking on Drizzit.

No panther is going to do anything to Wolverine. If he goes in and jumps Wolverine he will get his neck broke like that dinosaur from the Jungle Adventure. Goodbye panther.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
C. Meanwhile, Cattie-Brie targets Matt, who is able to dodge her arrows, but she doesn't run out of arrows, so most of his energy is spent dodging. Wulfgar, Matt's equal in at least strength if not speed, keeps him busy for a while.

Matt will waste no energy dodging arrows. It's pretty easy for Matt. He takes out Cat and Wulfgar pretty quick, even though I love Wulfgar.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
D. Bruenor sips some tea, and grumbles about the "durned elf" having all the fun.

Or he watches in horror as Wolverine breaks both Drizzit's arms.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
E. Wolverine still can't see and is badly injured, but has dispatched Guen. Drizzt sends her back to the Astral Plane, then continues his barrage on the still-blinded Logan. Wulfgar and Cat continue to stalemate Matt. Bruenor joins Drizzt to pound the crap out of Logan.

Globe will go away after Wolverine handles Drizzit, leaving Bruenor in a battle of berserkers against Wolverine, which the proud dwarf will sadly lose. Axe hits Wolverine-Wolverine doesn't care, caves in Bruenor's face with straight punch. Bruenor survives because he is tough as hell, but he will not win.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
F. Logan maybe gets a few hits in on the duo, but Bruenor handles it (he's crazily durable), then Wolverine falls over from blood loss or knock-out or something. They then gang up on Matt.

Bruenor's toughness pales in comparison to Wolverine. Wolverine's wounds from Drizzit are already healed and he ignores Bruenor's axe as it just clanged off his skull. DD has finished Catty Brei and is putting the finishing touches on Wulfgar just as Wolverine KOs the dwarf.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
G. End battle.

Wolverine wakes up Wulf and Bruenor and treats them to a drinking bout at the Cutlass, which he also wins handily, although he gives Wulfgar props for putting Scott's tolerance to pitiful shame.

DigiMark007 Forum Leader

The only part of you post I can directly refute is the part about Logan taking out Hulk-esque opponents with his bare hands. A bear does not = almost Hulk. And without his claws, he much less dangerous. In fact, I'd probably put him below, say, Obould in terms of strength and speed ( 😖hifty: )

But our main difference lies with our estimation of Drizzt's fighting abilities. I highly doubt Wolverine would hit him so easily in complete darkness (even though I know Logan has some training with such things), and would say it's about 5/10 for Drizzt-vs-Daredevil in a straight match. Less than that for Logan, but without claws and with Drizzt's team having the numbers advantage, I think they win more often than not.

...

And why no Wulfgar love? He has feats that put him easily around peak human (right with DD) and he was trained by Drizzt, and also has a decent beserker-mode. I think he's a great match for Matt. Matt would win more often than not (speed advantage) but give Wulfgar some help (like Cattie-Brie, for example) and I see no reason why he loses.

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by DigiMark007
No.
Bah! Who's side are you on?? Regardless, Drizzt is still a better darkness fighter, and even when Logan hits him it'll only be with a fist, not with claws.

im on ur's to a point, but wolverine is not reliant on his eyes in combat which was the one piont I was making

capt it up Senior Member

wulfgar and Bruenor in terms of strength are both stronger then that of DD.

capt it up Senior Member

Digi I ahve a question why havent u said any thing about bruenor in this match up? He will be a far mroe deciding factor then wulfgar

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge

Originally posted by capt it up
With no weapons I would have to disagree.
Wolverine yes………..DD no, not after the magical anklets.
Wolverine yes……………..DD more then likely, but not by a great amount.
Wolverine yes because wolverine not only has more experience, but he also knows more styles
Daredevil on the other hand has less experience then Drizzt and knows less styles or the same amount of styles.
You do not read these book’s much do you. What plot device has Drizzt used? If any one has been using plot devices it is clearly Artemis. There is not a single reason why Artemis should ever tool Drizzt.
Artemis is far less experienced
He slower
He less agile
His reflexes are slower
He not even stronger the Drizzt
There no reason he should beat Drizzt.
What Plot devices has he used vs Obould?
Now I know you don’t read the book’s man because Bruenor is clearly Drizzt equal in combat. Bruenor is a beast and would be just as hard to take down as Drizzt.
Wulfgar and Cat. are also formidable fighters. Also Cat. does not stand for the panther it stands for cattibary or how ever it spelled.
Pretty much no help though he does always find a may to be a little use full.

Now you have proved time and time again that you know alot about Wolverine (maybe even as much as I do) but my one problem with you would be that you're knowledge of other characters often falls through.

Daredevil has insane speed feats Capt. He has been in the sights of sniper rifles and then seemingly disappeared! On one occasion the sniper was several blocks away, DD vanished from his sights then got to the roof top the sniper was on literally in seconds. He has batted bullets back at the shooters for Christs sakes. I would go as far to say that Matt eclipses Drizzt in speed. Not to mention that Drizzt's anklets only increase his running speed, not his combat speed.

Drizzt has more experiance then Matt that much is true but his he more skilled.? I doubt it. The best human fighters in the Realms, much like the best human mages surpass their Dark Elf conterparts (Elminster of Shadowdale and Artemis). In terms of skill Artemis is the pinnacle of the realms (well... Jaraxel may be the best actually but he hasn't shown enough) and unlike Drizzt, Artemis skills continued to increase to make up for his age. If Drizzt fought current Artemis (even with out Charons Claw because that makes it even more unfare) it would hardly be a fight, since he absorbed energy from a Shade with his dagger Artemis is stronger and faster then he has ever been (I never read PotWK so he may have lost his stat boost) with skills to match and no one can make a case of Drizzt being more skilled. Drizzt wins their fights on sheer dumb luck, because even though he doesn't have the ability to win he HAS TO WIN since he is the hero of the book... What was my point again? (went of on a tangent there lol) Oh yeah, Drizzt being older then DD doesn't make him a better fighter. What he has done decides that and the feats just don't stack up; for istance DD has fought hundreds of enemies at once and Drizzt? He'd be lucky to take on a score (ie 20) with out help.

And Capt did you read the fight between Drizzt and Obould? Remember how Obould had invulnerable armor and that it was sabotaged before his fight with Drizzt? That is the very meaning of a plot device. And Obould still would have won out in the end if the fight hadn't ended how it did (I don't want to spoil the ending of the book for anyone but those who read it know what I mean).

Wulfgars best strength feat (and Wulfgar is stronger then Bruenor BTW) is throwing a Camel. DD has flipped limos and used and 800lbs barbell like a bow staff before hurling it across the room. I would say that DD is stronger then them.

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Now you have proved time and time again that you know alot about Wolverine (maybe even as much as I do)

Thank you

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
but my one problem with you would be that you're knowledge of other characters often falls through.

Some character I would agree on that my knowledge is low on, but I still have genral knowledge of there abilites. Also character I mostly debate again I normally have quite a bit of knowledge on such as the avengers and Spiderman. I also I good knowledge of daredevil though not the best I still have better knowledge of his abilities then most.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Daredevil has insane speed feats Capt.

AS does Drizzt, bit unlike daredevil Drizzt tends to have better reasons for why he can do such feats.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He has been in the sights of sniper rifles and then seemingly disappeared!

That’s really not that good of a feat and nothing Drizzt could no accomplish

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
On one occasion the sniper was several blocks away, DD vanished from his sights then got to the roof top the sniper was on literally in seconds.

That is the definition of PIS. Are you trying to say that DD can now run at superhuman speeds?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He has batted bullets back at the shooters for Christs sakes.

Quite impressive I would have to say, but those are due to his senses.
Though there are no bullets in forgotten realms so it really hard to say if Drizzt could not accomplish such a feat.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I would go as far to say that Matt eclipses Drizzt in speed.

Well you really should never go as far as to say such a thing.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Not to mention that Drizzt's anklets only increase his running speed, not his combat speed.

It does improve his fighting speed dramatically because now his feat and arm’s speed are at perfect harmony

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Drizzt has more experiance then Matt that much is true but his he more skilled.?

This is the thing I am not quite sure about who has the greater skill.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I doubt it.

Your option I respect that

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The best human fighters in the Realms, much like the best human mages surpass their Dark Elf conterparts

On average dark elf’s are quite superior in fighting. Also I have yet to see a human who surpasses Drizzt.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
(Elminster of Shadowdale and Artemis). In terms of skill Artemis is the pinnacle of the realms (well... Jaraxel may be the best actually but he hasn't shown enough)

Not likely since he has repeatedly shown to not be as skilled as Drizzt. Do you recall there battles? Artemis has yet to show that he is Drizzt better in fact it has been shown he is under Drizzt even with the help of Plot devices such as wings, Artemis was still defeated.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
and unlike Drizzt, Artemis skills continued to increase to make up for his age.

There is no such proof to support such claims.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If Drizzt fought current Artemis (even with out Charons Claw because that makes it even more unfare) it would hardly be a fight, since he absorbed energy from a Shade with his dagger Artemis is stronger and faster then he has ever been (I never read PotWK so he may have lost his stat boost)

That would only make the match an even fight with out such boosts Artemis is physically to slow to take a win from Drizzt.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
with skills to match and no one can make a case of Drizzt being more skilled. Drizzt wins their fights on sheer dumb luck, because even though he doesn't have the ability to win he HAS TO WIN since he is the hero of the book... What was my point again? (went of on a tangent there lol)

This is all just your option with no a single bit of proof to support such claims.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Oh yeah, Drizzt being older then DD doesn't make him a better fighter.

Did I ever say it did? No I said it made him more experienced.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
What he has done decides that and the feats just don't stack up; for istance DD has fought hundreds of enemies at once and Drizzt?

When has DD fought hundreds of enemies at once? Also Drizzt with one other foughten over 100 orc’s fighter maby even more I will have to re read the battles.
Not that it really matters though since Bruenor has on a few occasions and Drizzt is his equal just with a different method of fighting.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He'd be lucky to take on a score (ie 20) with out help.

I know for a fact in two swords he by him self took on 50 Orc fighters by him self well being injured if I am not mistaken.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
And Capt did you read the fight between Drizzt and Obould?

Yes I have quite a few times infact

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Remember how Obould had invulnerable armor and that it was sabotaged before his fight with Drizzt? That is the very meaning of a plot device.

Not that I recall, but it matters little since Drizzt was using a sword which could go right though his armor.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
And Obould still would have won out in the end if the fight hadn't ended how it did (I don't want to spoil the ending of the book for anyone but those who read it know what I mean).

That’s not true at all it was clearly a stalemate.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wulfgars best strength feat (and Wulfgar is stronger then Bruenor BTW) is throwing a Camel.

Throwing a camel is quite a good feat actually, horses can weight well over 1000 pounds and camels on average are heaver then horses due to that bulk and ability to retain water.
Also that’s not even Wulfgar best feat. Wulfgar best feat was when he was enraged and lifted a vat of burning oil and throw it. It took I think eight dwarfs to just freaked tilt the thing let alone lift it and throw it. Also a average dwarf is quite a bit stronger then that of a average human, not to mention there were battle harden fighter meaning they were physically stronger then a average dwarf.

Also it debating able if Wulgar is in fact stronger since Bruenor well enrage as done quite some impressive things.
Bruenor has been stated at times of rage to have the strength of 10 dwarfs and then proceeded to proof it by throwing many orc’s bodies from him self.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
DD has flipped limos

Far from his norm or even in his abilities to due so

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
and used and 800lbs barbell like a bow staff before hurling it across the room.

It was 500 pounds not 800 is I recall correctly.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I would say that DD is stronger then them.

I would not, but each is entitled to there option

riceroost Senior Member

Originally posted by DigiMark007
The only part of you post I can directly refute is the part about Logan taking out Hulk-esque opponents with his bare hands. A bear does not = almost Hulk. And without his claws, he much less dangerous.[B]

A bear? What are you talking about? Wolverine KOed Roughouse without claws, who has been said to be nearly as powerful as the Hulk. Wolverine without claws is dangerous as hell. I firmly believe that his skills are dumbed down when he has the claws. Wolverine without powers or claws took on an entire prison where there was a price on his head. He even protected Beast the whole time.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
[B]But our main difference lies with our estimation of Drizzt's fighting abilities. I highly doubt Wolverine would hit him so easily in complete darkness.[B]
No offense to Drizzt, but Darness Globe wont mean anything. Wolverine can use his senses to dodge an optic blast without seeing it coming, with enough time to save other people as well. He constantly takes down Nightcrawler who is a teleporter. Wolverine doesn't even look most of the time, he just knows where Nightcrawler will pop out of the teleport and floors him before Kurt can do anything. I dont know if Drizzt's swords are unbreakable, but when he hits Wolverine with them they might break on adamantium bone, and Wolverine frequently uses his bones to trap swords so that he can attack the stuck swordsman. He killed Shingen in such a way. Cut off Silver Samurai's arm this way too. I am not convinced Drizzt will be fast enough to get away from Wolverine. There is also no guarantee Drizzt uses darkness globe, but if he does the odds are still not in his favor.
I get that Drizzt was trained by the finest swordsman in the world, but Wolverine was trained by Ogun, who was the best, a sorceror aged a thousand years, who was supposed to be unkillable, yet Wolverine beat him twice and killed him. Drizzt is good, but Wolverine is virtually unkillable to someone like Drizzt.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
[B]Drizzt's team having the numbers advantage, I think they win more often than not.

You're kidding right? Wolverine takes on thousands of the most deadly assassins in the world by himself. He fights armies alone and doesn't break a sweat. Numbers mean nothing to Wolverine. Daredevil is pretty impressive against huge numbers as well.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
And why no Wulfgar love? He has feats that put him easily around peak human (right with DD) and he was trained by Drizzt, and also has a decent beserker-mode. I think he's a great match for Matt. Matt would win more often than not (speed advantage) but give Wulfgar some help (like Cattie-Brie, for example) and I see no reason why he loses.

I love Wulfgar, he's actually my favorite character in Forgotten Realms, but Matt can dance circles around Namor, who is a hell of a lot stronger than Wulfgar. Matt is also a lot faster, and can go at it with Spider-Man. As much as I want to see Wulfgar annihilate DD I dont think he could hit Matt.

capt it up Senior Member

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Tassadar Executor

Re: Companions of the hall vs Wolverine and Daredevil with a twist

Originally posted by capt it up
The twist is wolevrine can not use his Claws and Daredevil can no sue any of his weapons
vs
The companions of the Hall from forgoten realms books and comics
Bruenor BattleHammer
Drizzt
Wulfgar
Cat.
Haftling
All with standred equiptmen
who wins?
I think this would be a great fight and I am undecided at the moment

The halflings name is Regis, and he is a non-factor unless he gets to use the gem on one of them. Unfortunetly for Daredevil and Wolvie, they have no weapons, and so Daredevil gets shot through the head by Cattie, and Wolvie gets beaten to the ground by Wulfgar and Bruenor. Drizzt and Regis can stand there and watch, being completely unneccesary for this fight. Any one on the team might give them problems.

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge

Wow... just wow.

You could line up a hundred archers and slap a 300 pound weight to Matt and he still would dodge all the arrows. Cantie Brie would never even get close to hitting Matt; he'd be moving to fast for her to even register his movements.

And as dumb as the idea of Cantie Brie hitting DD with an arrow is the notion of Wulfar and Bruenor beating Wolverine is exponitailly worse. How? How did you come to this conclusion? Wolverine could take the best they could dish out, hell he could take 10 fold the best they could dish out and still get up and one shot both of them.

You sleep in Forgotten Realms PJs on top of Forgotten Realms Bed Sheets, don't ya?

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by Tassadar
The halflings name is Regis,

I know that I have read the whole series many times. I just did not feel like looking up the spelling of the name.

Originally posted by Tassadar
and he is a non-factor unless he gets to use the gem on one of them.

Yes he is a non factor. Also his gem would have no effect on wolverine or DD. DD is blind so he shit out of luck there and wolverine is far to hard to tame for it to ever work on him in the slightest.

Originally posted by Tassadar
Unfortunetly for Daredevil and Wolvie, they have no weapons, and so Daredevil gets shot through the head by Cattie,

That is an extremely unlikely scenario seeing how DD sense make his reflexes superhuman.

Originally posted by Tassadar
and Wolvie gets beaten to the ground by Wulfgar and Bruenor.

This would not work. Wolverine far faster then both of them and He would KO wulfgar in a hit due to the fact he does not have armor and has never been hit by such a strong opponent who is so skilled. Bruenor could take hits from wolverine quite a few, but the fact is there no way Bruenor could take wolverine by him self and seeing how Wulfgar would be taken out extremely fast it be just Bruenor vs wolverine. Wolverine would clearly win that match.

Originally posted by Tassadar
Drizzt and Regis can stand there and watch, being completely unneccesary for this fight. Any one on the team might give them problems.

Your information on both wolverine and DD is extremely bad.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wow... just wow.

lol

[i]
You could line up a hundred archers and slap a 300 pound weight to Matt and he still would dodge all the arrows. [/B]

That being extremely silly, seeing how 300 pounds would slow DD quite a bit not to mention that 300 archers would make a wall of arrows which would be next to impossible to dodge

[i]Cantie Brie would never even get close to hitting Matt; he'd be moving to fast for her to even register his movements. [/B]

Depends how far away, but even still DD does not move that fast and she would be able to fall his movements. Not to mention the arrows are said to move likely lightning bolts and are extremely magical.

[i]And as dumb as the idea of Cantie Brie hitting DD with an arrow is the notion of Wulfar and Bruenor beating Wolverine is exponitailly worse. [/B]

She could hit DD, but it would be quite hard. She how ever with the help of wulfgar could give DD a match.
You how ever are correct Wolverine would defeat both Wulfgar and Bruenor. How ever Drizzt and Bruenor vs Wolverine is another story.

[i]How? How did you come to this conclusion? Wolverine could take the best they could dish out, hell he could take 10 fold the best they could dish out and still get up and one shot both of them. [/B]

I don’t know about that. There weapons could deffently hurt Wolverine they have both done major damages to dragons and kill giants and orger’s with single attacks.

[i]You sleep in Forgotten Realms PJs on top of Forgotten Realms Bed Sheets, don't ya? [/B]

lol

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge

The enchantments on Taulmaril are invulnerability, a infinite number of instantly replenishing arrows and some sort of damage enchantment where the arrows are imbued with some sort of energy. The arrows move at the same speed as normal arrows and wither he is engaged in combat with Wulfgar and Bruenor or not Daredevil isn't getting hit by an arrow, no matter the kind.

And Aegis-Fang and Bruenor's axe aren't going to do much damage to Wolverine at all... if either of them can even hit him that is. One full on hit and Wolverine is going to down anyone he hits, now Drizzt may be agile and skilled enough to roll with the hit to avoid taking the full impact but everyone else is going down.

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The enchantments on Taulmaril are invulnerability, a infinite number of instantly replenishing arrows

This is correct.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
and some sort of damage enchantment where the arrows are imbued with some sort of energy.

This is correct to an extent how ever it is still quite flawed. The arrows speeds are extremely enhanced which allows the arrows to do far more damage.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The arrows move at the same speed as normal arrows

Your are incorrect my friend. The arrows have been stated on many occasions to move like lightning. There speed is extremely enhanced and are many many times faster then any arrow could possibly be.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
and wither he is engaged in combat with Wulfgar and Bruenor or not Daredevil isn't getting hit by an arrow, no matter the kind.

DD would get hit I promises you that. If both wulfgar and Bruenor attack up close while cat. attacked a far with arrows DD would get hit sooner or later.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
And Aegis-Fang and Bruenor's axe aren't going to do much damage to Wolverine

If they repeatedly hit they could farewell damage wolverine quite a bit.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
at all... if either of them can even hit him that is.

Here the thing they more then likely would not. Wulgar would be downed instantly. That is why I said Drizzt and Bruenor vs Wolverine would be quite a match.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
One full on hit and Wolverine is going to down anyone he hits, now Drizzt may be agile and skilled enough to roll with the hit to avoid taking the full impact but everyone else is going down.

Here is why I don’t think your info on these characters is very good. Bruenor ability to roll with hits is extremely good a long with his prue durability is the most likely to take repeated attacks from Logan. Bruenor in no way shape or form is going to be KOed by a single punch from wolverine when he takes hit from giants dead on and is quite fine.