X-Men Random Room

Started by Genosha49 pages

Here's the thing, Wolvie got popular for a reason. He's a complex character with a rich history, but little angst or apologies for what he is or what he does. He's a traditional antihero. You know, the cowboy archetype (more The Man with No Name than The Man in the White Hat), and he's done really well.

The other aspect of his allure has traditionally been the fact that he's rarely as powerful as what he's up against and he frequently gets his ass kicked, but through force of will he makes it happen. He's the guy who shouldn't win, but will because he wants it more.

But like all good things, popularity has sucked his life out, leaving him an empty shell, a jean, a scott. Chamber might be the new Wolvie, but he's got a little more of the self loathing goin on than I usually like, but s'all good.

Uh...did I have a point? Oh yeah, s'not cool hatin on a good character just because too many people like him. Not like it's his fault they tore out his soul and stuck his face on every t-shirt and lunch box(do the kiddies still do lunch boxes?) they could find.

Originally posted by Genosha
Here's the thing, Wolvie got popular for a reason. He's a complex character with a rich history, but little angst or apologies for what he is or what he does. He's a traditional antihero. You know, the cowboy archetype (more The Man with No Name than The Man in the White Hat), and he's done really well.

The other aspect of his allure has traditionally been the fact that he's rarely as powerful as what he's up against and he frequently gets his ass kicked, but through force of will he makes it happen. He's the guy who shouldn't win, but will because he wants it more.

But like all good things, popularity has sucked his life out, leaving him an empty shell, a jean, a scott. Chamber might be the new Wolvie, but he's got a little more of the self loathing goin on than I usually like, but s'all good.

Uh...did I have a point? Oh yeah, s'not cool hatin on a good character just because too many people like him. Not like it's his fault they tore out his soul and stuck his face on every t-shirt and lunch box(do the kiddies still do lunch boxes?) they could find.

you say not to hate and yet in the same post you diss scott and jean...

Originally posted by pr1983
well at least we have astonishing and messiah comples to keep us going...

*crosses fingers for a battle between cyclops and sinister in messiah complex*

Oh ya that would be cool, one big epic battle between the both, that would be cool.

Originally posted by Shadow_King
Oh ya that would be cool, one big epic battle between the both, that would be cool.

yeah, considering how much scott hates sinister, i think it'd be awesome... drool

what happened Pr, you gave up being mod?

Originally posted by Shadow_King
what happened Pr, you gave up being mod?

nope, i was suspended...

can't really talk about it here... 😬

Originally posted by pr1983
you say not to hate and yet in the same post you diss scott and jean...

Noted....although, I do believe I said something along the lines of 'don't hate on a GOOD character'.

C'mon man, gimme a little somethin ta work with here.

I think I made a pretty heartfelt plea for a guy I don't even like that much, and all you're gonna give me in return is 'don't mess with my girl'.

I get that a lot here an I'm startin ta feel a little cheated. Can I get a 'why the f_ not' maybe? 😉

scott is a good character, he's one of the deeper, more developed x-men...

jean (who i despise) is fairly developed too...

its he over saturation more than anything else that annoys people about wolverine...

me personally? i just never liked the guy, and im a cyclops fan, so im used to getting stick about it... 😛

Originally posted by Flavio
And Clov. We need to get back to those Medicine talks 😛

sure we do! I'm at practices in cardiology at the mo!

You're welcome to your opinion man, but I just don't see it.

Cyke to me always felt emotionaly dead. I think there's a place for that, you need contrast to make your point. But when writers started taking the critisim to heart and tried to give him more deapth he started reading as false. He wasn't Scott anymore.

To me Cyke is an officer ya know the clean cut, born leader, reserved, boy scout type. Seems like in recent years they've been trying to give him a rougher edge, but I just don't believe it's him.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is. Before, I thought Cyke was guy I wouldn't be all that interested in meeting cause he's kind of a dick, yeah. Part of Scott's appeal was NOT liking him and being able to get together with other people who didn't like him and whine about how annoying he was. But I still BELIEVED. It was SCOTT I didn't like cause he was an obnoxious little prick. But this guy they've got running around in his uniform...I don't know man. It's testing my faith.

both might have there faults, but without both of them the x-men would crumble.

They never made X-Men as interesting as I would have liked. Sure movies are good and they have the stuff. But they don't have all the stuff.
X-Men movies don't have enough humour, it's a pretty serious or sad story from start to the end. The characters are rough, they're not very friendly. Plus, they're serious too.
I guess that's a requirement and that's how the characters are in the comics too. It's understandable, given their difficult life styles.
But that still doesn't deny the fact that the movies are simply too serious for someone to enjoy completely.

Originally posted by Genosha
You're welcome to your opinion man, but I just don't see it.

Cyke to me always felt emotionaly dead. I think there's a place for that, you need contrast to make your point. But when writers started taking the critisim to heart and tried to give him more deapth he started reading as false. He wasn't Scott anymore.

To me Cyke is an officer ya know the clean cut, born leader, reserved, boy scout type. Seems like in recent years they've been trying to give him a rougher edge, but I just don't believe it's him.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is. Before, I thought Cyke was guy I wouldn't be all that interested in meeting cause he's kind of a dick, yeah. Part of Scott's appeal was NOT liking him and being able to get together with other people who didn't like him and whine about how annoying he was. But I still BELIEVED. It was SCOTT I didn't like cause he was an obnoxious little prick. But this guy they've got running around in his uniform...I don't know man. It's testing my faith.

it's the same guy, he's just a little less inhibited, and that's thanks to emma... she's brought him out of his shell, and he's had enough of emma and xavier running the show for so long, he wants to get back on the horse, as it were...

he was always an interesting character imo, it was just really well hidden by alot of writers alot of the time...

yes, there's the leader aspect to his character, but that in itself is interesting to me... imagine your own powers being so potentially dangerous to the people around you... i think he's a pretty well developed character, but admittedly, it does take alot of searching...

and i dont think scott was ever obnoxious... he was the leader... he had to be cold to his teammates, that comes with the territory...

Now see, I was thinkin they didn't go dark enough with the movies.

Sure X3 pulled a Hamlet, but it was so poorly executed that you didn't feel it. Sort of felt like you were, I don't know, watching a movie or something. While I enjoyed the first and the second wasn't too bad, I definately got a cutesy vibe from the whole deal.

But maybe I've just been in a bad mood. For the last few years.

Too many pages to read... 😕

gambit12 mon ami

Originally posted by Genosha
Now see, I was thinkin they didn't go dark enough with the movies.

Sure X3 pulled a Hamlet, but it was so poorly executed that you didn't feel it. Sort of felt like you were, I don't know, watching a movie or something. While I enjoyed the first and the second wasn't too bad, I definately got a cutesy vibe from the whole deal.

But maybe I've just been in a bad mood. For the last few years.

all three movies could do with being scrapped imo...

Originally posted by Jury
Too many pages to read... 😕

gambit12 mon ami

hey...

Originally posted by pr1983
it's the same guy, he's just a little less inhibited, and that's thanks to emma... she's brought him out of his shell, and he's had enough of emma and xavier running the show for so long, he wants to get back on the horse, as it were...

Dude, please don' get me started on the abomination that is Emma and Scott.

Ok s'too late.... It's a f_ing abomination man!!

I know, I'm out voted. I don't give a f_. The idea of the The White Queen, with all of her sophistication and inner strength, letting that &*%^ wooden *(%*$#@% put his *(%*#$^ and #%)@$* (%*$ ($* her!?! Ghagh!

Emma... Ms. Frost... Say it ain't so!

The image is a sliver of solid corruption stabbing into my mind. The taint will spread until my brain is a seething black sludge.

"Oh God it hurts" the words issue from my mouth in a desperate sob.

The pain consumes me and I whisper a final plea "Please make it stop."

Originally posted by Genosha
Dude, please don' get me started on the abomination that is Emma and Scott.

Ok s'too late.... It's a f_ing abomination man!!

I know, I'm out voted. I don't give a f_. The idea of the The White Queen, with all of her sophistication and inner strength, letting that &*%^ wooden *(%*$#@% put his *(%*#$^ and #%)@$* (%*$ ($* her!?! Ghagh!

Emma... Ms. Frost... Say it ain't so!

The image is a sliver of solid corruption stabbing into my mind. The taint will spread until my brain is a seething black sludge.

"Oh God it hurts" the words issue from my mouth in a desperate sob.

The pain consumes me and I whisper a final plea "Please make it stop."

you like david beckham, so now all your arguments are worthless... 😛

scott is ALOT more than you give him credit for, trust me...

Dude, s'not so much an argument as a cry to the universe for understanding. There must be someone out there who knows what I mean. I don't fault you for standing by your man. S'cool. But you gotta understand.

I'm gonna try to explain exactly what I mean, but it might get ugly so, if you take exception to profanity...sorry. But it might be necessary to make my point.

They took Emma, a succubus archetype, and by chaining her to Cyke , they broke her. And I don't mean like ruined her character. I mean like a f_ing horse.

In some writer's sick sexual fantasy the dominant becomes the submissive. And what's more, they make it seem like we should be happy because she's come to the light side. I'm not fooled.

She's been polluted, transformed into something that wants what's been done to her. And no, I don't blame Scott for it, dude's a tool (pun intended). A literary device. He's the knight in shinning armor that wants to ___ the wicked step mother, but isn't satisfied until he's turned her into a gd fairy princess so she's GOOD enough for him.

And I say bulls_t. She was good enough before. Why couldn't he come to her? Because it's a male dominance fantasy. Admittedly, this is a transformation that's been in the works for years. But we(or maybe I'm alone) held out hope. Hope that Emma would see the darkness and be what she is, instead of what some dick wants her to be.

The relationship with Scott seems like the nail in the coffin (yes there's innuendo there). The boyscout wipes the blood from the demon's lips before he kisses her, and the threat is always there that if she gives in to her nature, he'll never kiss her again.

... Ok, so I kept it mostly clean. Kudo's to me. But, tell me is there somebody who gets what I'm trying to say?

BTW before somebody asks, I like dudes. Alot. *cough*

As for David Beckham slight. You sit in the sand staring at a computer screen for a year with MF's complaining about you not working hard enough, but for the past eleven months-when you still gave a shit and you actually thought maybe if you busted your ass you might not save the world, but maybe you could save a couple of people from getting blown up-they've been filing your work in the trash cause they're too f_ing stupid to know what to do with it. And now you don't care anymore, and all the sudden they take an interest. But the drive to do good isn't comin back. You just want to hug your little girl again and lay down in your own bed next to your husband, and never look back at the wasted time. Not even to say a massive F_ You to the SOB's pretending to run shit.

And then suddenly, you see a picture of David Beckham for the first time and you forget to hate for a second because the only thought in your mind is "Wow!" I say again. f_in' "Wow!" And that's all it takes. Now there's hope. Sure it's stupid, but wtf. You can smile again, and when one of your bosses (and you've got, no shit, about 6 that you deal with on a daily basis) wants you to stop doing the job you're actually there for so you can take pictures of pretend work for a stupid f_ing newsletter, you can go back to that happy moment and say, "Well, at least there's David Beckham." And maybe, with a little bit of luck and a creative outlet where the darkness can flow from your mind onto a computer screen instead of festering in your brain, it'll be enough to get you through that f_ing 3 month extension.

Yeah, totally unrelated to anything, and I should delete it. But....wtf.
Here's a smily so's you know I feel better now 🙂.

Originally posted by Genosha
Dude, s'not so much an argument as a cry to the universe for understanding. There must be someone out there who knows what I mean. I don't fault you for standing by your man. S'cool. But you gotta understand.

I'm gonna try to explain exactly what I mean, but it might get ugly so, if you take exception to profanity...sorry. But it might be necessary to make my point.

They took Emma, a succubus archetype, and by chaining her to Cyke , they broke her. And I don't mean like ruined her character. I mean like a f_ing horse.

In some writer's sick sexual fantasy the dominant becomes the submissive. And what's more, they make it seem like we should be happy because she's come to the light side. I'm not fooled.

She's been polluted, transformed into something that wants what's been done to her. And no, I don't blame Scott for it, dude's a tool (pun intended). A literary device. He's the knight in shinning armor that wants to ___ the wicked step mother, but isn't satisfied until he's turned her into a gd fairy princess so she's GOOD enough for him.

And I say bulls_t. She was good enough before. Why couldn't he come to her? Because it's a male dominance fantasy. Admittedly, this is a transformation that's been in the works for years. But we(or maybe I'm alone) held out hope. Hope that Emma would see the darkness and be what she is, instead of what some dick wants her to be.

The relationship with Scott seems like the nail in the coffin (yes there's innuendo there). The boyscout wipes the blood from the demon's lips before he kisses her, and the threat is always there that if she gives in to her nature, he'll never kiss her again.

... Ok, so I kept it mostly clean. Kudo's to me. But, tell me is there somebody who gets what I'm trying to say?

can't say i agree, but i'd love to get you and exoduscloak in a room (him being one of the biggest emma fans on the board), man that would be a sight to see...

i think though it should be considered that emma's demeanour was more a defense mechanism than it being the kind of person she actually is...

BTW before somebody asks, I like dudes. Alot. *cough*

and i like women... shrug

As for David Beckham slight. You sit in the sand staring at a computer screen for a year with MF's complaining about you not working hard enough, but for the past eleven months-when you still gave a shit and you actually thought maybe if you busted your ass you might not save the world, but maybe you could save a couple of people from getting blown up-they've been filing your work in the trash cause they're too f_ing stupid to know what to do with it. And now you don't care anymore, and all the sudden they take an interest. But the drive to do good isn't comin back. You just want to hug your little girl again and lay down in your own bed next to your husband, and never look back at the wasted time. Not even to say a massive F_ You to the SOB's pretending to run shit.

And then suddenly, you see a picture of David Beckham for the first time and you forget to hate for a second because the only thought in your mind is "Wow!" I say again. f_in' "Wow!" And that's all it takes. Now there's hope. Sure it's stupid, but wtf. You can smile again, and when one of your bosses (and you've got, no shit, about 6 that you deal with on a daily basis) wants you to stop doing the job you're actually there for so you can take pictures of pretend work for a stupid f_ing newsletter, you can go back to that happy moment and say, "Well, at least there's David Beckham." And maybe, with a little bit of luck and a creative outlet where the darkness can flow from your mind onto a computer screen instead of festering in your brain, it'll be enough to get you through that f_ing 3 month extension.

Yeah, totally unrelated to anything, and I should delete it. But....wtf.
Here's a smily so's you know I feel better now 🙂.

umm... ok...

as long as you don't claim he's a great player, we cool... 😛