Reed Richards....Moves to Gotham City

Originally posted by ThePittman
Don’t get me wrong, I like Reed and think he is a great character and has done some way cool things. Yes he is a great leader and a very formable opponent but in combat he is not the best by far, he can take on a lot of people and beat many of Batman’s foes but to do this and avoid Batman who is the worlds best detective I can’t see that.

Yes he has beat gods and cosmic characters but that has always been with his technology and team mates. If he can use his technology or make stuff up then I totally give this task to him but from this thread this is a purely physical fights that he would have to do.

And I'd like to see Batman take his enemies without equipment...

He's also a judomaster. Just ask sue ✅

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
I think you guys are downplaying Batman and overhyping Reed. Batman would have no trouble fitting in the Marvel Universe. If he WAS in the Marvel Universe, he'd have contigency plans for almost everyone on 616.

"Quick, Bruce, you must find the equation to open the extradimensional gate to Negative dimension and warp us through it so Thing can breathe again!"

*Batman gives Thing a rebreather*

Batman: Now let's motherbox our way out of here.

FF with Batman (To Nihil): You're a [b]whore if you mess with the Fantastic Four!

And sure, Reeds is great, but Bruce can do THIS:

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1473208.htm

kidding.[/B]

What would Batman do if all their equimpment would be destroyed and he actually would have to made a teleporter himself out of alien technology he has never encountered before? Or when he would need to face Terminus or some other interdimensional god in battle and find a way to defeat them in half a minute?

Pray?

It's Batman who is WAY above his level here.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
Plus, Reeds isn't a detective. He'd be doing some pointless mathematical equation to try to predict what all the villains will do, but they're too insane for that. He'd be constantly too late to stop murders left and right. And he'd suck at blending in too. He's not good enough to hide like Bruce, and once people start seeing his bright blue costume, he'd attract attention, and then the criminals will start figuring out his weaknesses. Energy Weapons. Cold Temperatures (which messes up his elasticity). Also, he's more dependant on a team, whilst Batman usually takes on the "One Man War On Crime" ideology. Alone, Reed is not likely to take on Gods, Demigods, or any super being. He'd be out of his element in Gotham.

Not half of Batman's villains are insane enough for Reed not to understand them, and even those who are can be understood by him. Reed has predicted what aliens or magical creatures that aren't even from this world would do, insane minds won't be a problem, since understanding the workings of mind is one of his fields too. And can't blend in? He can mimic his appearence and face to disguise as another person, creature or inanimate object if he wishes so. Reed has defeated enemies without his teammates. And he is 99% of the time the guy who finds a way to defeat them also. Reed does not need his team...they can't work really without Reed.

And Batman's villains would not just figure out that he is weak to those things...I doubt that an universal genius would just run at a guy named "Mr.Freeze".

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
What enemy would give him problems, then? Science is not the only thing that Reed can do, he is a master of other things too...that includes psychology.

And I'd like to see Batman take his enemies without equipment...

As for Bats against Reed’s foes without his gadgets I think many of them would hand his a** to him like Super Skrull, Doom, Titania, Annihilus and not to mention Galactus.

Originally posted by ThePittman
Well I can’t remember many of Bat’s enemies but some that I do that would physically give him a challenge without his toys are Bane, Clayface and Killer Croc. Most of the others he could easily out think or physically beat. My point is that he, giving time could find a way to beat them all but to do this and avoid Batman I can’t see him doing. It wouldn’t be long before Bats figured out his method and caught him.

As for Bats against Reed’s foes without his gadgets I think many of them would hand his a** to him like Super Skrull, Doom, Titania, Annihilus and not to mention Galactus.

Reed probably can't keep away from Batman for good, but he doesn't need to.

Originally posted by Accel
Namor couldn't even physically hurt Reed. Killer Croc and Clay Face sure won't do any thing. He's been shown to amp his strength up to Thing levels.

Reed probably can't keep away from Batman for good, but he doesn't need to.

I wouldnt say he can amp up to Thing level 😬

More like 50 tons 😐

Also, Reed has been taking Ben's punches for years now and Ben is a hell of a lot stronger than any of Batman's villans 😉

Originally posted by Grimm22
I wouldnt say he can amp up to Thing level 😬

More like 50 tons 😐

Also, Reed has been taking Ben's punches for years now and Ben is a hell of a lot stronger than any of Batman's villans 😉

Originally posted by Accel
I believe it's been stated he amped his size and strength to "Thing like proportions" when he confronted Onslaught.

Did it 😕

Hmm, i'll have to go back and read that issue.

I remeber the scene which you are talking about.

Originally posted by Accel
Namor couldn't even physically hurt Reed. Killer Croc and Clay Face sure won't do any thing. He's been shown to amp his strength up to Thing levels.

Reed probably can't keep away from Batman for good, but he doesn't need to.

[QUOTE=6692815]Originally posted by DarkCrawler

Not half of Batman's villains are insane enough for Reed not to understand them

Which one isn't insane?

, and even those who are can be understood by him. Reed has predicted what aliens or magical creatures that aren't even from this world would do, insane minds won't be a problem, since understanding the workings of mind is one of his fields too.

Please, Reed can't even grasp the concept of magic. Sure, he could logically predict what aliens or magical creatures might do, but none of them were insane. Batman's villains are more illogical than anything Reed's dealt with.

He can mimic his appearence and face to disguise as another person, creature or inanimate object if he wishes so

His costume is freakin blue. Blue vase. Blue floor. Blue creature. Yeah, I'm sure he'd make a great detective.

Reed has defeated enemies without his teammates. And he is 99% of the time the guy who finds a way to defeat them also. Reed does not need his team...they can't work really without Reed.

He can think of ways to defeat them, but 99% of the time he requires a team.

And Batman's villains would not just figure out that he is weak to those things...I doubt that an universal genius would just run at a guy named "Mr.Freeze".

How could they not?

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
[QUOTE=6692815]Originally posted by DarkCrawler
[B]

Which one isn't insane?

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
[QUOTE=6692815]Originally posted by DarkCrawler
[B][b], and even those who are can be understood by him. Reed has predicted what aliens or magical creatures that aren't even from this world would do, insane minds won't be a problem, since understanding the workings of mind is one of his fields too.

Please, Reed can't even grasp the concept of magic. Sure, he could logically predict what aliens or magical creatures might do, but none of them were insane. Batman's villains are more illogical than anything Reed's dealt with.[/B]

Let's see. It took roughly thirty minutes for Dr.Strange to teach Reed to use magical objects and incantations to get him in level where he could go toe to toe with Doctor Doom in magical combat...

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
[QUOTE=6692815]Originally posted by DarkCrawler
[B]

His costume is freakin blue. Blue vase. Blue floor. Blue creature. Yeah, I'm sure he'd make a great detective.

*Sigh*

Unstable molecules. They change their form.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
[QUOTE=6692815]Originally posted by DarkCrawler
[B]

He can think of ways to defeat them, but 99% of the time he requires a team.

And you think Batman could defeat cosmic being without their help?

Reed requires his team because he competes in different ballpark then Batman.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
[QUOTE=6692815]Originally posted by DarkCrawler
[B]

How could they not?

Because they don't know the first thing about him...

Alright, Darkcrawler has the better argument.

But I just want to say that you are undermining Batman's intelligence. Just because he doesn't apply himself to science as well as Reeds doesn't mean Reed is smarter than him. Batman has a much larger range of masteries.

- Greatest Detective in DC

- Lock Picking Skills

- Trained In Over Hundreds Of Martial Arts

- Expert In Criminology, Sociology, Biology, Chemistry, Astrophysics, Mechanics, Law, Psychology, Anatomy and Physiology, Biotechnology, Genetic Engineering, Social and Technical Sciences etc.

- Master Artistry

- Can speak English, Mandarin, Japanese, Middle Eastern Languages, Russian, German, Australian, Spanish, French all fluently

- Load of money and business pioneering skills

- Proven to be the smartest human alive in DC (DC One Million arc)

- Array Of Gadgets to compensate for no cheap superhuman powers

- Hacking Skills

- Perfect Marksman

- Chick Magnet; CATWOMAN, BATGIRL, WONDER WOMAN, TALIA

It can't be proven that Reeds is smarter than Bruce, only that what he says happens to be more verbose, pretentious, and vague in that it uses scientific doubletalk. So from now on I think if anybody says that Reed is infinitely smarter than Bruce, I'll just start debating with them.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence

- Greatest Detective in DC -

And ? As previously stated Reed can guess what aliens are doing easily enough , how is a thug with no particular pattern comparable to a alien mind.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence

- Lock Picking Skills -

Reed can stretch his fingers into a suitable shape to unlock doors , he can also hook up to pc's

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence

Trained In Over Hundreds Of Martial Arts -

Judo pwns !

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence

- Expert In Criminology, Sociology, Biology, Chemistry, Astrophysics, Mechanics, Law, Psychology, Anatomy and Physiology, Biotechnology, Genetic Engineering, Social and Technical Sciences etc.

As is reed , except reed is 100 X better.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence

- Master Artistry .

Ahh yes, because linguistic skills are a necessity to crime fighting...

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence

- Can speak English, Mandarin, Japanese, Middle Eastern Languages, Russian, German, Australian, Spanish, French all fluently .

Reed has a universal translator in his suit

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence

- Proven to be the smartest human alive in DC (DC One Million arc)

How is a descendant a valid point ?

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence

- Array Of Gadgets to compensate for no cheap superhuman powers .

Please Batman is the cheapest character in all of Dc . He can somehow accomplish crap which Supes (with all his powers) can't.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence

- Hacking Skills .

Reeds are better.

Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
Alright, Darkcrawler has the better argument.

But I just want to say that you are undermining Batman's intelligence. Just because he doesn't apply himself to science as well as Reeds doesn't mean Reed is smarter than him. Batman has a much larger range of masteries.

- Greatest Detective in DC

- Lock Picking Skills

- Trained In Over Hundreds Of Martial Arts

- Expert In Criminology, Sociology, Biology, Chemistry, Astrophysics, Mechanics, Law, Psychology, Anatomy and Physiology, Biotechnology, Genetic Engineering, Social and Technical Sciences etc.

- Master Artistry

- Can speak English, Mandarin, Japanese, Middle Eastern Languages, Russian, German, Australian, Spanish, French all fluently

- Load of money and business pioneering skills

- Proven to be the smartest human alive in DC (DC One Million arc)

- Array Of Gadgets to compensate for no cheap superhuman powers

- Hacking Skills

- Perfect Marksman

- Chick Magnet; CATWOMAN, BATGIRL, WONDER WOMAN, TALIA

How are lockpicking and martial arts skills and marksmenship measures of intelligence...

Expert criminologist yes... but (I think I've asked this before) really.. how often does he consistently exhibit expertise in genetic engineering or the legal framework or complex human anatomy.

It's arguable whether giving a character plot device gadgets or giving a character superpowers is more 'cheap'.

Reed's married to the incredibly hot and incredibly powerful Invisible Woman while Bruce spends most of his time with boy wonder...

- Proven to be the smartest human alive in DC (DC One Million arc)

really, what issue did they establish that?

- Chick Magnet; CATWOMAN, BATGIRL, WONDER WOMAN, TALIA

Yeah....but follows the Michael jackson template of having young preteens around 😆

Comparing Reed’s and Batman’s intelligence is like comparing book smarts vs. street smarts. Batman has much more practical experience then Reed but doesn’t have to deal with the cosmic battles that Reed has to deal with. So when it comes to evading and capture Reed is way out classed in that aspect. Now if big G shows up Batman will piss his pants and Reed will run to the lab and grab his gadgets.

Originally posted by ThePittman
Comparing Reed’s and Batman’s intelligence is like comparing book smarts vs. street smarts. Batman has much more practical experience then Reed but doesn’t have to deal with the cosmic battles that Reed has to deal with. So when it comes to evading and capture Reed is way out classed in that aspect. Now if big G shows up Batman will piss his pants and Reed will run to the lab and grab his gadgets.

You don't seem to understand.

Street smarts aren't intelligence , their a mix of cunning and violence.

Whereas reed's opened a stable dimensional portal wherein creatures reside which make Cluthlu look like my little pony.

Bastman's a moron compared to Reed.

Originally posted by grey fox
You don't seem to understand.

Street smarts aren't intelligence , their a mix of cunning and violence.

Whereas reed's opened a stable dimensional portal wherein creatures reside which make Cluthlu look like my little pony.

Bastman's a moron compared to Reed.

Originally posted by ThePittman
Comparing Reed’s and Batman’s intelligence is like comparing book smarts vs. street smarts. Batman has much more practical experience then Reed but doesn’t have to deal with the cosmic battles that Reed has to deal with. So when it comes to evading and capture Reed is way out classed in that aspect. Now if big G shows up Batman will piss his pants and Reed will run to the lab and grab his gadgets.

So I wonder why batman did not piss his pants when the Spectre had him and the jla in that extra dimension prison?

And one last thing how is Reed vastly more inteligent than batman?