Originally posted by diabloman
ive never seen the book.
That's a shame. It's a really good one. I own it. Unfortunately I can't show you scans from it because I only post here when I'm at work and I don't take my comic books with me. Sorry.
Suffice to say that Punisher lands one hit because Batman lets him and then he gets a small lesson in humility from Batman although the two never do really fight. Let's just say that Punisher probably won't return to Gotham because he hates Batman that much.
In a strictly hand to hand fight I full heartedly believe that Frank would win out against Batman. Know Bruce is a much better fighter then Frank (who is still an impressive fighter mind you) and I won't try to argue that fact but I don't think it is enough. IMO it comes down to the fact that Frank has damage soak and durability that are easily on a superhuman level and to help him further he is far more violent and willing to do things during combat that Batman wont. Now Bruce is going to be a hurricane of fists and at the start of the fight he will be landing all the hits but sooner or later Frank will land one, then another and when Frank hits he hits like a truck. With out gadgets it is a battle of attrition and in that Punisher wins.
Does Batman have the ability to take down Frank. Sure, no doubt about that. The question is will he do what needs to be done? I think the answer is no. Short of killing him, the only thing Batman could do to him to end the fight is break all his limbs and by the time he is ready to go that far it will be too late with Frank domination the fight. And at the end of the Frank is stronger and more ruthless fighter.
I HEAVILY doubt frank is stronger.. I've never seen frank do anyting like some of the strength feats that bats has...
more ruthless.. well yeah he can be.. but if batman really recognizes that frank was THAT much of a threat to him I can definitely see batman pulling out his bag of tricks.. pressure points, touch of death, etc etc.. I honestly don't see how frank would fair any better hypothetically than he did in their past encounters on paper...
Prep time is overated.
Like I can have prep time over another guy: "hey this knife can pierce human flesh" and I am fighting a human being . I automatically win , because in thoery this knife cuts through flesh.
Just cause I have a knife(gadget) doesnt mean ill get the win.
meaning I dont fall for the batman with prep can take out just about anyone bull.
Punisher would not beat Batman in a h2h fight. Batman is infinitely more skilled in that department and he is faster, stronger, and more agile. Batman DOES have what it takes to put Punisher down through pressure points and his one shot kills (leopard blow, tiger fist, etc...). Punisher can have all the durability that he wants and he still can't compare with somebody like Solomon Grundy. With the use of pressure points, he took down Solomon Grundy pretty hard. Frank is a badass, no doubt, but when it comes to fighting there's no way that he could beat the dark knight.