Originally posted by rickyduck
Somali, Anarcho-Capitalist, and I know im anti-capitalist, but it only uses capitalism as a baseline. Anarchism in Somali is doing it very well, and I'd much prefer to live there than here.
Rickyduck> The political idea of anarchism is a good one. I agree with you. However, the only thing you have in the world today is perhaps anarchy – Somalia has a transitional, parliamentary federal government.
Regret is correct: Just as you cannot attempt real socialism/communism in just one state, you cannot do that with anarchism in one state either. It must either be the whole world or you end up with desperate dictatorships like in the Stalinist USSR and Eastern Europe.
Originally posted by Eis
You seriously believe there would be less crime if there were no government? Well, technically you're right since there would be no laws, so murder and thievery would not be a crime. But people would still do those things, and since there would be no consequences they'd do it a lot more.
Pardon me for interrupting since the above was not intended for me, but … I just want to ask you: What makes you believe for a fact (and I say this since you do not prove your hypothesis) that people would continue to commit crimes in an anarchist society?
There is crime today DESPITE laws.
Originally posted by Bardock42
You know they are one of the poorest countries in the world....
One of, but not, and of course they are, in anarchist countries you dont have money, so they wouldnt really be poor, just moneyless.
Originally posted by The Omega
Rickyduck> The political idea of anarchism is a good one. I agree with you. However, the only thing you have in the world today is perhaps anarchy – Somalia has a transitional, parliamentary federal government.Regret is correct: Just as you cannot attempt real socialism/communism in just one state, you cannot do that with anarchism in one state either. It must either be the whole world or you end up with desperate dictatorships like in the Stalinist USSR and Eastern Europe.
Pardon me for interrupting since the above was not intended for me, but … I just want to ask you: What makes you believe for a fact (and I say this since you do not prove your hypothesis) that people would continue to commit crimes in an anarchist society?
There is crime today DESPITE laws.
You could never attempt reall communism or socialism anywere, becue there will always be a capitalist government thats stronger.
Pardon me for interrupting since the above was not intended for me, but … I just want to ask you: What makes you believe for a fact (and I say this since you do not prove your hypothesis) that people would continue to commit crimes in an anarchist society?
There is crime today DESPITE laws.
Do you know the definition of the word "crime"? In case you don't, here:
1 : an act or the commission of an act that is forbidden or the omission of a duty that is commanded by a public law and that makes the offender liable to punishment by that law; especially : a gross violation of law
If there is no government and no laws, there would be no such thing as crime.
How ever, things we today now consider criminal (like thievery and murder) would still happen, how can I prove that? (even though it seems foolish to me that someone would suggest that once there was no government, suddenly people would turn merciful and selfless) In Somalia crimes do still happen, no?
Originally posted by Eis
Do you know the definition of the word "crime"? In case you don't, here:1 : an act or the commission of an act that is forbidden or the omission of a duty that is commanded by a public law and that makes the offender liable to punishment by that law; especially : a gross violation of law
If there is no government and no laws, there would be no such thing as crime.
How ever, things we today now consider criminal (like thievery and murder) would still happen, how can I prove that? (even though it seems foolish to me that someone would suggest that once there was no government, suddenly people would turn merciful and selfless) In Somalia crimes do still happen, no?
So what are you saying? That hes right or wrong?
Originally posted by rickyduck
One of, but not, and of course they are, in anarchist countries you dont have money, so they wouldnt really be poor, just moneyless.You could never attempt reall communism or socialism anywere, becue there will always be a capitalist government thats stronger.
And poor..moneyless and poor..don't forget that they'd be poor too.
Originally posted by Bardock42
And poor..moneyless and poor..don't forget that they'd be poor too.
Yes but It wouldnt make a difference.
Originally posted by Alliance
ummm..notice how all the puppet capitalist nations the US set up around the world fall as soon as the slightest economic strife hits.look at Easterd Europe during the Cold War.
but thats capitlism not anarchism...
Rickyduck, R u really that dumb?
Ever been to Somalia?
It's like living hell.
http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=Somalia&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-img-t-t400&x=wrt
Looks good, huh?
U'd rather live there. Really?
First 3 hits for Photo search: Somalia:
Originally posted by Eis
Who are you asking that to?
you..
Originally posted by Da preacher
Rickyduck, R u really that dumb?Ever been to Somalia?
It's like living hell.http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=Somalia&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-img-t-t400&x=wrt
Looks good, huh?
U'd rather live there. Really?
First 3 hits for Photo search: Somalia:
Well, there is a war going on there, im sure thats not doing them much good either... i never said i wanted to live there, and Its right next to Ethiopia, its bound to have famine, thats nothing to do with the way the countries run..., and what, have you been to somalia? Or are you just judging it from a few pictures that show the deepest depths of despair there?
Re: Anarchism
Originally posted by rickyduck
Ok, I've been totally obsessed with anarchism over the past few days, especially anarcho-communism and eco-anarchism, and I reckon the world should turn anarchist, as I think its a great idea - no government would mean no wars which would mean peace, and everything would turn out fine.
Sorry but that's just NOT true...how would you have commerce or establish trade without rules and someone to enforce them? How would you eat if everyone just decide not work? For that fact how would others feed, cloth, build homes if everyone just choses to rid of a establish organization? You can't just say..."Oh our ancestors didn't depend on each other to survive" Newsflash: We cannot overthrow everything and start all over. It's out of the question...that's just simple irreponsibility.
Peace? every ideology offers peace...but it is easier said than done. Communism offers peace....Democracy, Aristocracy, and so on...we're not peaceful creatures. Plain and simple....violence is a part of us and it will remain with us for centuries and centuries to come.
Re: Re: Anarchism
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Sorry but that's just NOT true...how would you have commerce or establish trade without rules and someone to enforce them? How would you eat if everyone just decide not work? For that fact how would others feed, cloth, build homes if everyone just choses to rid of a establish organization? You can't just say..."Oh our ancestors didn't depend on each other to survive" Newsflash: We cannot overthrow everything and start all over. It's out of the question...that's just simple irreponsibility.Peace? every ideology offers peace...but it is easier said than done. Communism offers peace....Democracy, Aristocracy, and so on...we're not peaceful creatures. Plain and simple....violence is a part of us and it will remain with us for centuries and centuries to come.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Sorry but that's just NOT true...how would you have commerce or establish trade without rules and someone to enforce them? How would you eat if everyone just decide not work? For that fact how would others feed, cloth, build homes if everyone just choses to rid of a establish organization? You can't just say..."Oh our ancestors didn't depend on each other to survive" Newsflash: We cannot overthrow everything and start all over. It's out of the question...that's just simple irreponsibility.Peace? every ideology offers peace...but it is easier said than done. Communism offers peace....Democracy, Aristocracy, and so on...we're not peaceful creatures. Plain and simple....violence is a part of us and it will remain with us for centuries and centuries to come.
Not really, the idea of anarchsim is to work volantaraly (sorry for my bad spelling)
And as above, the idea of anarchism is to be harmonius.
the reason we are violent is because of other ideoligies that we think are good etc, (well thats what I think), like rascism, fascism, and what we believe we should have....
If anarchism is so bad why are so many people anarchist? Im not reffering to social darwinism here, and not every ideology offers peace, quite obviously... (just like social darwinism)
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
This is an oxymoron. Communism and anarchism are complete opposites.
Which is why they made anarcho communsim....
http://www.punkerslut.com/articles/anarchocommunism.html
Now tell me its an oxymoron...
Originally posted by Bardock42
I agree that they are opposites judging by the "communist" countries we had. But don't you think that on a basic (theoretical) level they could be used together. I mean, does communism need a government or actually wouldn't a government be against the basic idea of communism?
Good point, but Anarcho-Communism can be classed as a branch of communism or anarchism...
Originally posted by rickyduck
Not really, the idea of anarchsim is to work volantaraly (sorry for my bad spelling)
And as above, the idea of anarchism is to be harmonius.the reason we are violent is because of other ideoligies that we think are good etc, (well thats what I think), like rascism, fascism, and what we believe we should have....
If anarchism is so bad why are so many people anarchist? Im not reffering to social darwinism here, and not every ideology offers peace, quite obviously... (just like social darwinism)
Everyone works voluntary...that's the general idea. You don't work...you don't eat (unless you decide to be a beggar but that's another discussion) I can't see anarchism in a harminous way if there is no order, laws, business without a government that regulates things.
Even if you were to implement the idea of anarchism into people's lives...there is still has to be a form of rule. Those rules have to be enforce by governing group. There still be leadership under a group of certain individuals. Thus you might as well call it..."presiding government"
Anarcho-Communism may not be what you think. Would you like an example? I'll give you one:
The Cultural Revolution of China.
They were communists and fought each other for leadership. Basically it was an Anarchist confusion among themselves. That's a good thing?