Ok, if you think you can, but if you can't I'll give it another try again, though it may be of not, but maybe someone here might appreciate that fact the explanations of Alliance is something of an allegro, but with no destination.....oh yeah, that's not what we're expelling about are we....... 😉
Lets quicken it up to go nowhere.........lol
Spinner's defenition.
Originally posted by TheSpinner
If am aware of it then it must exist in one form or another. But it may exist even if I am not aware of it"
Part I: "If I am aware of it then it must exist in one form or another."
Holograms are sensory perceptions that are created by artificial projection. They are not real. Also, often the body creates sensory perceptions that are fake, fellings and visions that are not factual, but created in mental spazzes.
Part II: "But it may exist even if I am not aware of it"
Yes.
Originally posted by AllianceOnly the non-sciencetical explanation of it, or old explanation of it.................lol 😉
Spinner's defenition.Part I: "If I am aware of it then it must exist in one form or another."
Holograms are sensory perceptions that are created by artificial projection. They are not real. Also, often the body creates sensory perceptions that are fake, fellings and visions that are not factual, but created in mental spazzes.
Part II: "But it may exist even if I am not aware of it"
Yes.
Originally posted by AllianceHolograms are sensory perceptions that are created by artificial projection. They are not real. Also, often the body creates sensory perceptions that are fake, fellings and visions that are not factual, but created in mental spazzes.
Yes.
Alliance If Holograms can not exist, then how can you create them( see underlined above).If you are telling me that they are created(see underlined above) then they must either exist or you are lying to me about being able to create them.
Sorry Alliance that was too good to pass up 😉
Your confusion about the existence of Holograms is stemming from your unclear understanding of their definition. if they are just false sensations like you say. then we only care about the existence of those false sensations.
You are tell me that something is created and at the same time you are telling me that it does not exist 😕 :
if it is created then it must exist. and if it does not exist then it is not created.
Originally posted by Alliance
The point is, you percieve an image that is not there. I'm refenceing the physical sensation of seeing the image, not their physical existance.
But if you perceive the image that is not there. then it must exist just as thought in your mind. So now do you think that our thoughts exist or not?
Our thoughts are, in effect, cognitive maps: maps of sensory reality, cognitive reality (metacognition), and--if one is so inclined--spiritual reality (leaving the definition of "reality" open for the moment). The best maps are built from careful observation and critical thinking so that they are, at least, reliable if not valid.
Originally posted by Alliance
😆 I would agree with debbie that we only care about the existance of false sensations.And given my hypothesis, I'd say that no...thoughts are not real. They are only perceptions of reality.
And do those perceptions of reality exist or not? 😉
My Friend our thoughts do exist and it is just that somebody's definition of existence in textbooks is wrong. Now we have more knowledge and we are more intelligent and we can have a better definition for existence. or is the the earth still flat ?
If our thoughts did not exist. then they should not have any effect on us just like anything else that does not exist. And if they don't have any effects on us then they must be irrelevant to us and we should be able to live without them. Can you? because I can't, but then again, I on the hand truly believe that they do exist.
That is why I say I do not limit myself to definitions already established by someone else a long time ago. Therefore you should help me sell my new definition of existence and we may just benefit more from it in the future. 😉
"If am aware of it then it must exist in one form or another, But it can exist even if I am not aware of it"(TheSpinner)
I think thoughts don't exist here's why. There is pretty extensive research done on neural mapping and pathways etc. We can study in depth neural impulses, but to my knowledge no reseach hase been done showing how the physical mechanics translates into etherial sensations, for example love, or hate. The pathway and structure are there, but we dont really know what the thought is. There is some sort of higher function in the brain that can take all the impulses and neurotransmitters and create these thoughts. Wed odn't understand that.
My friend spinner, a perception is not a concrete thing. Saying you have a perception and saying that it is a concrete thing are two very different statements. Not everyhing you percieve is fact. YOu still have the perception, that doesnt mean that your perception is an accurate description of reality.
AND, might i add, that you do not have the power to overwrite centuries of academia on your mere whim, just to prove your point. Words have defintinos for reasons, so that everyone can understand what each one means. This is not to say that definitions don't change, but mreery that you do not have the power to change them.
Things that are not real can have many powerful effect on someone. For example, many mythological figures associated with certian holidays are not real. You percieve them all the time...and when you are young enough, you can't tell the difference, later in life, you gain the power to realize that what you percieve is not always fact.