Dude just for Beyonder being in the marvel Multiverse, he destroyed galaxies for just being there. There have been post shown that he is millions of times more powerful than the multiverse. Lucifer could not create a multiverse on his own, he needed help. But after the retcon he was reduced REAALy significantly so now he would not be a challenge. By the writers original beyonder was unbeatable.
Originally posted by Big Sexy
Dude just for Beyonder being in the marvel Multiverse, he destroyed galaxies for just being there. There have been post shown that he is millions of times more powerful than the multiverse. Lucifer could not create a multiverse on his own, he needed help. But after the retcon he was reduced REAALy significantly so now he would not be a challenge
Yes, but Pre-retconned Beyonder didn't face the likes of the Living Tribunal, the Phoenix, or TOAA now did he? All three of those beings are beyond the Marvel Multiverse as well.
Originally posted by batdude123But millions of times beyond the Multiverse, thats really a stretch Batdude considering when Thanos had the Hotu Lt was taken down and Phoenix was no where in site.
Yes, but Pre-retconned Beyonder didn't face the likes of the Living Tribunal, the Phoenix, or TOAA now did he? All three of those beings are beyond the Marvel Multiverse as well.
Originally posted by Big Sexy
But millions of times beyond the Multiverse, thats really a stretch Batdude considering when Thanos had the Hotu Lt was taken down and Phoenix was no where in site.
By presentation alone Pre ret Beyonder was certainly the most powerful in his time. But Phoenix has since been presented as more powerful and has more impressive feats in addition. The Phoenix Force spawns the multiverse, not the other way around so even if the debatably hyperbolic million times greater line was taken as fact it would change nothing as the multiverse is a creation. The Phoenix stems from the White Hot Room which itself is outside of and overlooks all of creation, including the Beyond Realm.
Originally posted by batdude123Yes but beyonder his another said to be beyond creation. According to the comic he always was and according to the writers he was unstoppable. But anyway, I have seen dudes tear there eyes out over this topic, I really dont want another see another 40 pages on this so I will say Lucifer beats the JLA/Avengers
By presentation alone Pre ret Beyonder was certainly the most powerful in his time. But Phoenix has since been presented as more powerful and has more impressive feats in addition. The Phoenix Force spawns the multiverse, not the other way around so even if the debatably hyperbolic million times greater line was taken as fact it would change nothing as the multiverse is a creation. The Phoenix stems from the White Hot Room which itself is outside of and overlooks all of creation, including the Beyond Realm.
Originally posted by batdude123I also have a question pertaining to something you told me, you said that the source is how the DCU sees Yaweh but in the X-men/ Teen Titans comic it stated the PF as a equl to the source. Thats really confusing.
By presentation alone Pre ret Beyonder was certainly the most powerful in his time. But Phoenix has since been presented as more powerful and has more impressive feats in addition. The Phoenix Force spawns the multiverse, not the other way around so even if the debatably hyperbolic million times greater line was taken as fact it would change nothing as the multiverse is a creation. The Phoenix stems from the White Hot Room which itself is outside of and overlooks all of creation, including the Beyond Realm.
Originally posted by Big Sexy
Yes but beyonder his another said to be beyond creation. According to the comic he always was and according to the writers he was unstoppable. But anyway, I have seen dudes tear there eyes out over this topic, I really dont want another see another 40 pages on this so I will say Lucifer beats the JLA/Avengers
Thank you. 🙂
Originally posted by Big Sexy
I also have a question pertaining to something you told me, you said that the source is how the DCU sees Yaweh but in the X-men/ Teen Titans comic it stated the PF as a equl to the source. Thats really confusing.
However, as a whole she is not as great in power as the Presence is.
Originally posted by Big Sexy
Heres the kicker, Mr. Master posted another that said that Beyonder is the most powerful being with MM as second.
problem i've always had with this argument is that cosmics are viewed differently nowadays. for his time he WAS awesome. how would he fare in a universe rampant with characters who can destroy universes at the drop of a hat? hard to tell . . .
Originally posted by MiderYeah but the marvel continuity presents a problem because the feats of the Beyonder were retconned so its hard placing his classic persona in a hierarchy know.
damn i type bad didnt lucifer and his brother do the role of the PF in creating the multiverse is what i was trying to say.
what is this thread, does the guy hate lucifer morningstar, first jla avengers, then this and that, he'd lose if he had to fight the freaking TOAA and pheonix and classic beyonder all at once, beyonder alone might smack him down by himself so would TOAA, and someone said lucifer can make multiverses if thats true then he might defeat or only stalemate the Pheonix
Originally posted by MiderThey were really only placing half truths. He needed michaels help.
what is this thread, does the guy hate lucifer morningstar, first jla avengers, then this and that, he'd lose if he had to fight the freaking TOAA and pheonix and classic beyonder all at once, beyonder alone might smack him down by himself so would TOAA, and someone said lucifer can make multiverses if thats true then he might defeat or only stalemate the Pheonix