I personally believe demons are real. Has anyone here ever witnessed an exorcism? I have and that experience expels any doubt I could ever have. It is probably what finally pushed me from being an atheist to a Christian. As far as I know there is no chemical that can duplicate the characteristics of a person during an exorcism.
Originally posted by Regret
This is my thought. I am curious as to the general Bible believer's thoughts on the subject. Do they believe that these people were literally possessed, or do they believe it likely that these people were mentally ill. Also, general thoughts on the subject might interest me.
Here is the answer you seek:
Luke 5:15-25
But so much the more went there a fame abroad of him: and great multitudes came together to hear, and to be healed by him of their infirmities. And he withdrew himself into the wilderness, and prayed. And it came to pass on a certain day, as he was teaching, that there were Pharisees and doctors of the law sitting by, which were come out of every town of Galilee, and Judaea, and Jerusalem: and the power of the Lord was present to heal them.
And, behold, men brought in a bed a man which was taken with a palsy: and they sought means to bring him in, and to lay him before him. And when way they might bring him in because of the multitude, they went upon the housetop, and let him down through the tiling with his couch into the midst before Jesus. And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.
And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blashemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone? But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, he answering said unto them, What reason ye in your hearts? Whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Rise up and walk? But that ye may know that the Son of man hath no power upon earth to forgive sins, (he said unto the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy couch, and go into thine house.
And immediately he rose up before them, and took up that whereon he lay, and departed to his own house, glorifying God.
John 5:5
Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
It never mentions Jesus casting out demons but only healing.
It never mentions Jesus casting out demons but only healing.
meant to say "hardly mentions" Jesus casting out demons.
Mark 5:27-34
When she had heard of Jesus, came in the press behind, and touched his garment. For she said, If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole. And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed of that plague.
And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him, turned him about in the press, and said, Who touched my clothes? And his disciples said unto him, Thou seest the multitude thronging thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me? And he looked round about to see her that had done this thing.
But the woman fearing and trembling, knowing what was done in her, came and fell before him, and told him all the truth. And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.
Mark 5:2-8
And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit. Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains: Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.
And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones. But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him, And cried out with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou the Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
Jesus forgave sins and allowed many to walk. He wasn't casting out demons everywhere he went but he did do it as shown in Mark 5:2-8 but as shown in the others he commanded that they walk or that their sins are fogiven and they were healed.
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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Anyone who sees demons, must have a chemical imbalance.
I mean they have pictures of teh Demons in The Book of Vile Darkness sourcebook! 😱
Anyways on a serious note... I don't have a clue really. I remember the story of legion from Sunday School, but I never really paid attention to it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Demonic Possession
Originally posted by Regret
Have you ever heard the phrase "haunted by his own demons"? It is figurative. Use of the term does not necessitate the literal existence of the demons in this passage.
Nowhere in the Bible is the phrase "haunted by his own demons" found. The man was literally possessed by demons. Jesus conversed with demons, not chemicals. It was actual demons that went out of the man and entered into the swine. The demon's name--not the chemical--was Legion because many demons--not chemicals--had entered the man. It is so simple to understand what transpired here that you would have to hire someone to help you misunderstand this (oh, and pay him/her overtime).
Luke 8:30-33
Jesus asked him (the demon) , saying, “What is your name?”
And he (the demon), said, “Legion,” because many demons had entered him (the man). 31 And they (the demons), begged Him (Jesus) that He would not command [B]them to go out into the abyss.
32 Now a herd of many swine was feeding there on the mountain. So they (the demons), begged Him that He would permit them (the demons), to enter them. And He permitted them (the demons). 33 Then the demons went out of the man and entered the swine [/B]
The swine were physical proof that the man was possessed by violent, wicked, demons. Just look at what the swine did the moment that they were possessed by the demons. Furthermore, the sheer number of swine that were invaded by the demons shows that the man was possessed by many demons. Spirits are very real and they can and do inhabit people and animals.
Jesus frequently encountered people who were DEMON POSSESSED. The Jews accused Jesus of having a demon. Even they believe in demons.
John 8:48-49
Then the Jews answered and said to Him (Jesus) , “Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon ?”
Jesus answered, “I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me.
Luke 11:20
But if I cast out demons with the finger of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.
What is Jesus casting out with the finger of God--energy? Did Jesus say energy? No! Jesus said demon. In fact the word demon occurs 82 times in the Bible (the word appears in both the Old Testament and New Testament).
Mark 6:13
And they cast out many demons , and anointed with oil many who were sick, and healed them.
What were Jesus' disciples casting out of people, Oh that's right they were casting out chemicals--not.
Mark 7:29-30
Then He said to her, “For this saying go your way; the demon has gone out of your daughter.”
And when she had come to her house, she found the demon gone out , and her daughter lying on the bed.
Wow, would you look at that; the Bible states that it was a demon that came out of the girl and not chemicals.
Mark 16:9
Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons .
Amazing this woman had seven chemicals...oops, I mean demons.
Luke 4:33-35
Now in the synagogue there was a man who had a spirit of an unclean demon. And he cried out with a loud voice,
But Jesus rebuked him, saying, “Be quiet, and come out of him !” And when the demon had thrown him in their midst, it came out of him and did not hurt him.
Wow, even Jesus knows that demons exist.
Luke 8:30
Jesus asked him, saying, “What is your name?” And he said, “Legion,” because many demons had entered him .
This many was possessed with many demons. The demons name was Legion because many demons had entered him.
Matthew 12:42-44
When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he (the demon) goes through dry places, seeking rest, and finds none. Then he says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ And when he comes, he finds it empty, swept, and put in order.
Jesus said, "When an UNCLEAN SPIRIT, not a chemical--a SPIRIT, GOES OUT OF A MAN...."
James 2:19
You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble !
A chemical as you call it Regret does not have the capacity or ability to BELIEVE let alone TREMBLE, but demons do and they DO believe and tremble.
I could go on quoting several more Scriptures that prove that demons exist and possess people. But in the face of all of this you still will not believe. Incredible. Well, I believe God; demons do exist and possess people.
We once bought a pet Balrog named Tobie from the Orcs of Moria. On the day that we bought him home though, it rained very hard and since we still havent made his doghouse, he was left shivering outside ofour house. The poor thing died the day after. My dad would never allow us again to have a pet demon(or should i say Maiar) sadangel.
Originally posted by Nellinator
I personally believe demons are real. Has anyone here ever witnessed an exorcism? I have and that experience expels any doubt I could ever have. It is probably what finally pushed me from being an atheist to a Christian. As far as I know there is no chemical that can duplicate the characteristics of a person during an exorcism.
Dissossiative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality Disorder) and Skitzophrenia both have shares of displays that are simply horrifying.
If you encounter these kind of nightmares, and then encounter an Excorcism, come back to me and tell me which is the worst.....
Originally posted by Nellinator
I personally believe demons are real. Has anyone here ever witnessed an exorcism? I have and that experience expels any doubt I could ever have. It is probably what finally pushed me from being an atheist to a Christian. As far as I know there is no chemical that can duplicate the characteristics of a person during an exorcism.
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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Nowhere in the Bible is the phrase "haunted by his own demons" found. The man was literally possessed by demons. Jesus conversed with demons, not chemicals. It was actual demons that went out of the man and entered into the swine. The demon's name--not the chemical--was Legion because many demons--not chemicals--had entered the man. It is so simple to understand what transpired here that you would have to hire someone to help you misunderstand this (oh, and pay him/her overtime).[B]Luke 8:30-33
Jesus asked him (the demon) , saying, “What is your name?”
And he (the demon), said, “Legion,” because many demons had entered him (the man). 31 And they (the demons), begged Him (Jesus) that He would not command [B]them to go out into the abyss.
32 Now a herd of many swine was feeding there on the mountain. So they (the demons), begged Him that He would permit them (the demons), to enter them. And He permitted them (the demons). 33 Then the demons went out of the man and entered the swine [/B]The swine were physical proof that the man was possessed by violent, wicked, demons. Just look at what the swine did the moment that they were possessed by the demons. Furthermore, the sheer number of swine that were invaded by the demons shows that the man was possessed by many demons. Spirits are very real and they can and do inhabit people and animals.
Jesus frequently encountered people who were DEMON POSSESSED. The Jews accused Jesus of having a demon. Even they believe in demons.
John 8:48-49
Then the Jews answered and said to Him (Jesus) , “Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon ?”
Jesus answered, “I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me.Luke 11:20
But if I cast out demons with the finger of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.What is Jesus casting out with the finger of God--energy? Did Jesus say energy? No! Jesus said demon. In fact the word demon occurs 82 times in the Bible (the word appears in both the Old Testament and New Testament).
Mark 6:13
And they cast out many demons , and anointed with oil many who were sick, and healed them.What were Jesus' disciples casting out of people, Oh that's right they were casting out chemicals--not.
Mark 7:29-30
Then He said to her, “For this saying go your way; the demon has gone out of your daughter.”
And when she had come to her house, she found the demon gone out , and her daughter lying on the bed.Wow, would you look at that; the Bible states that it was a demon that came out of the girl and not chemicals.
Mark 16:9
Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons .Amazing this woman had seven chemicals...oops, I mean demons.
Luke 4:33-35
Now in the synagogue there was a man who had a spirit of an unclean demon. And he cried out with a loud voice,
But Jesus rebuked him, saying, “Be quiet, and come out of him !” And when the demon had thrown him in their midst, it came out of him and did not hurt him.Wow, even Jesus knows that demons exist.
Luke 8:30
Jesus asked him, saying, “What is your name?” And he said, “Legion,” because many demons had entered him .This many was possessed with many demons. The demons name was Legion because many demons had entered him.
Matthew 12:42-44
When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he (the demon) goes through dry places, seeking rest, and finds none. Then he says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ And when he comes, he finds it empty, swept, and put in order.Jesus said, "When an UNCLEAN SPIRIT, not a chemical--a SPIRIT, GOES OUT OF A MAN...."
James 2:19
You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble !A chemical as you call it Regret does not have the capacity or ability to BELIEVE let alone TREMBLE, but demons do and they DO believe and tremble.
I could go on quoting several more Scriptures that prove that demons exist and possess people. But in the face of all of this you still will not believe. Incredible. Well, I believe God; demons do exist and possess people. [/B]
Regret, I responded to your post.
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