My belief on life/afterlife etc. - A Mormon

Originally posted by Ritoshi
How about a Kid thats been traiend to believe one religion from birth...How is God punishing that person when it is not that persons fault on how they were raised ?

He isn't. Why would that person be punished. Did anything I said state they would be?

One more question for now. Umm, if one person is bad but you are good, would you be sperated from your loveones after death 😐 because what sort of happiness is that.

Originally posted by Regret
Please do not respond to this type of post in this thread, it is not within the topic I am pursuing.

What's wrong with it? They are facts. What's your problem with them?

Originally posted by Regret
Yes, for my exact stance refer to our Eigth Article of Faith:

8 We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

No.

Hi Regret,

I asked you if you believe it is impossible for God to lie. You said, No.

You said you believe the Bible to be the word of God. Well, this is what the word of God says about God lying.

"...in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began."

Titus 1:2

God is not a man that He should lie...

Numbers 23:19

...that by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie...

Hebrews 6:18

Originally posted by Ritoshi
Also what was the point of flooding the earth ? You give a person free will then you flood the earth because they didn't chose the right side ?

If children had no chance of growing up without sin, it seems that it was a choice. Allow people a better chance or make them live in a state that forced heavy contact with sin. We believe that the entire earth was covered with people of the worst sort, the majority had chosen to sin heavily. There was no place to escape it. Maybe that's what causes the end of the world described in the Bible, are people evil enough yet to justify similar action?

uhhh so you're basically reenforcing what he said? Or are you trying to debate his belief? because you arent doing a good job.

Originally posted by Ritoshi
One more question for now. Umm, if one person is bad but you are good, would you be sperated from your loveones after death 😐 because what sort of happiness is that.

During the Purgatory Paradise phase, perhaps. Following that, you will be able to contact your loved ones. If one person is bad but you are good, would you be required to live in hell (just using it as an example) 😐 because what sort of happiness is that.

Originally posted by Regret
During the Purgatory Paradise phase, perhaps. Following that, you will be able to contact your loved ones. If one person is bad but you are good, would you be required to live in hell (just using it as an example) 😐 because what sort of happiness is that.

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
Hi Regret,

I asked you if you believe it is impossible for God to lie. You said, No.

You said you believe the Bible to be the word of God. Well, this is what the word of God says about God lying.

"...in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began."

Titus 1:2

God is not a man that He should lie...

Numbers 23:19

...that by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie...

Hebrews 6:18

It is impossible in the fact that if he did he would cease to be God, can God cease to be God? No. If God lied he would not be God, thus God did not lie. Are you saying God cannot do anything? I believe that the Bible states that God can do anything, nothing is beyond him.

Originally posted by Ritoshi
So you could contact your love ones burning in hell for eternity 😐 while you are in heaven ?

I don't believe people will be in that type of place. They just aren't capable of doing the things you would be able to, and reside in a different place that reflects what they are able to do.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
uhhh so you're basically reenforcing what he said? Or are you trying to debate his belief? because you arent doing a good job.

If you are refering to the flood question. Yes, I figure he wasn't necessarily wrong.

Originally posted by Ritoshi

Also what was the point of flooding the earth ? You give a person free will then you flood the earth because they didn't chose the right side ? [/B]

Answer: Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was greived in His heart. So the Lord said, "I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord."

Genesis 6:5-8

What JustbyFaith means is "Yea, they burned because they used their free will"

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
What JustbyFaith means is "Yea, they burned because they used their free will"

Free will doesn't stop consequences from happening. Freedom doesn't mean you get to do everything without care of consequence. Also, they didn't burn, they drowned 😉

Originally posted by Regret
It is impossible in the fact that if he did he would cease to be God, can God cease to be God? No. If God lied he would not be God, thus God did not lie. Are you saying God cannot do anything? I believe that the Bible states that God can do anything, nothing is beyond him.

This is a serious contradiction! The bible says it is "Impossible" for God to lie. Simply put...it can't happen, never will happen. It is not in His nature nor capacity as God to lie. He can't. Lying IS beyond Him. That's what the bible says. 😎

Originally posted by Regret
[B]During the Purgatory Paradise phase...

Where's that described in the bible?

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
This is a serious contradiction! The bible says it is "Impossible" for God to lie. Simply put...it can't happen, never will happen. It is not in His nature nor capacity as God to lie. He can't. Lying IS beyond Him. That's what the bible says. 😎

Ok, I will concede. I looked up Hebrews 6:18

17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel•, confirmed it by an oath:

18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

God made an oath stating that it would be impossible for him to lie. I do believe my previous comments were sufficient though, we were debating Bible doctrine, not my beliefs as a Mormon.

Originally posted by Regret
Ok, I will concede. I looked up Hebrews 6:18

I do believe my previous comments were sufficient though, we were debating Bible doctrine, not my beliefs as a Mormon.

I too will also admit if I made an error. I appreciate your confession and most certainly will not hold it against you. 🙂

Originally posted by Justbyfaith
Where's that described in the bible?

The Apostle Peter referred to the spirit world as a prison, which it is for some (see 1 Peter 3:18–20).

The hell in the spirit world will not continue forever. Even the spirits who have committed the greatest sins will have suffered sufficiently by the end of the Millennium (see Acts 2:25–27). They will then be resurrected.

1 Peter 4:6 (gospel preached to the dead)

Edit : Forgot, this is in our Pearl of Great Price - Moses 7:37–39 (spirit prison prepared for the wicked)

Luke 16:19–31 (fate of beggar and rich man in the spirit world)

Much of the rest my reference is found in the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price and the writings of our leaders.

I must apologize to you, but my intent is to explain my belief. I did not start this thread to defend it against what you believe, at least not in the attitude that you seem to be approaching.

Originally posted by Regret
These are my views. I am a Mormon, all the same these are my interpretation of what I believe as a Mormon and not necessarily official doctrine. [b]If you have questions I will answer them, but if it is an attack I may simply ignore you because I don't care about your comment. [/B]

Originally posted by Regret
Much of the rest my reference is found in the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price and the writings of our leaders.

It is this reality above that makes me have to part ways. I cannot focus on God's Word and several other additional writings that are not included in the Scriptures. I have enjoyed our gentle debate and truly will make an effort to put out your name in my prayers Regret.

Thank You,

Justbyfaith