Qui Gon vs. AOTC Obi Wan and Anakin

I feel like making threads!!! Who wins? The fight is at the Kamino platforms.

AotC Kenobi alone could give him trouble. Add in Anakin and Qui-Gon goes down.

Qui-Gon was supposed to be pretty good, wasn't he? A bit on the level of Mace, wasn't it? But what I saw in the theatre wasn't too impressive though..

Qui-Gon wins and grounds them bothbawling

It's very close. Anakin isn't far off Obi-Wan at this point, and Obi-Wan has almost reached the end of his knighthood by AOTC. Qui-Gon also utilises ataru, which isn't too great against multiple opponents. I say Qui-Gon, but only just.

Qui-Gon is going down.

The book saying Qui-Gon matched Mace in swordsmanship should be burnt. Is that book really saying that Maul is a better swordsman than Windu and that a pissed TPM Obi-Wan could possibly threaten Mace in a sword fight?

AOTC Obi is going to take a long time to take down for Qui-Gon, this is obvious. And Qui-Gon's defence was apparently lacking, if Anakin and Obi attacked him at the same time, or if Obi defended and Anakin went rats-ass on Qui-Gon, I don't think he would make it. Qui-Gon does not have skills enough to take either of them down quickly, and if they went 2 on 1 I doubt he could make it....

Originally posted by kamikz
The book saying Qui-Gon matched Mace in swordsmanship should be burnt. Is that book really saying that Maul is a better swordsman than Windu.

Remember this is the Mace that we know 13 years ago. Mace hadn't even created Vaapad at this point, and he would have been much less skilled with a saber, and not as strong in the force.

If you say so. Provide me with a source that says Vaapad didn't exist in TPM and then tell me why Mace was still the second top swordsman in the Jedi Order at the time of TPM.

Count Dooku was the second top swordsman in the order....
He was still a great swordsman and much better then most masters, however other jedi like Jinn and Bondara were still on the same level as he was.

I thought Mace was already noted as one of the top saber duellists, as a saber "progedy"

If Maul was in the order, he would have also been considered one of the top duelists.

Mace was one of the top saber duelists, however Yoda and Dooku were still superior to him and jedi like Bondara and Jinn were considered to be on his level.

I'll ask the same thing as Rex.

Proof that Vaapad didn't exist at the time.
Proof that Mace powers grew SO freaking much in those 10 years.

Ok and I'm going to say the same thing as I did before. Do you honestly belive that a PADAWAN Obi-Wan that was furious could actually stand up to the 2-3 best saber duellist in the order?

The short story 'Kent Makes Up Sources.'

And Anakin grew incredibly powerful between AOTC and ROTS which was about 3 years. This is 13 years that we are talking about.

And in response to your question, he was able to stand up (luckily) against maul who was able to outclass both Jinn and Bondara (previously) who were some of the best duelists in the order and considered to be on par with Mace.

Yeah, I agree with Kamikz that we should go by what we saw from the movies. Qui-Gon just isn't that great. Actually, Ataru just isn't that handy..

Originally posted by Count Kent
The short story 'Kent Makes Up Sources.'

And Anakin grew incredibly powerful between AOTC and ROTS which was about 3 years. This is 13 years that we are talking about.

And in response to your question, he was able to stand up (luckily) against maul who was able to outclass both Jinn and Bondara (previously) who were some of the best duelists in the order and considered to be on par with Mace.

So, does this mean that Maul is a better swordsman than Mace, just because Mace had not yet developed Vaapad? Vaapad is not what makes Windu good, it is certainley something special, but he was nontheless good before too. He is still a master of the two styles that Vaapad combines, Maul is fighting with an INCOMPLETE style, he's good with it, but still....

I really don't belive that a padawan can get lucky enough to beat one of the top swordsmen of the order. Comon, this guy was almost the youngest person of the council (until Anakin, I don't know if Depa but whatever). You don't get there for nothing. He was ONLY bested by Dooku and Yoda. That does not mean that he was bested always, he had been bested, mabey once or twice by them, nothing more and no one else. There is nothing except that quote which says that Qui-Gon is equal to Mace in TPM. There is nothing to indicate that Qui-Gon is near his level. Doesn't even that same book say that Maul TOYED Qui-Gon? Does this mean that Maul could toy Mace in a sword duel? That is just ridicilous.

You guys seriously underestimate Maul...He would give TPM Mace a very, very tough fight. (Might even win). Obi-Wan was incredibly lucky against him, and he still almost lost.

I can confidently say that Maul would almost own Mace as of TPM.

Underestimate? Rather overestimate. Maul would not win over Mace in TPM, Mace did not get where he was for nothing, Vaapad is not the source of Mace power.

Shatterpoint is...

And Maul is underestimated. He was extremely incredible at such a young age and in the movies, only the Skywalkers had more potential.

How do you know that? Have you got his midichlorian count? Is it ever told? Just because he was a very accomplished swordsman and personally trained by possibly the greatest sith lord ever does not mean he had more potential. Kar Vastor is an example.

And no, Shatterpoint is not the only source of his power either. Windu had strong force powers and his swordsmanship was very great.
You are basically saying that anyone without a special style will loose against Maul. Windu was in the top of the order even before Vaapad, he had mastered Djem and Ataru (I think it was that one), and possibly Juyo too. That should be enough....