Honestly, this is a tough one for me to pick a winner. All three have beaten groups of people at once. Elektra seemed to have a bit more skill than Logan or Bruce in the movies. Wolverine had the best damage soak. Batman had the best mobility. I'll say Batman wins. He's skilled, has body armor and gadgets.
Originally posted by badabingi put no weapons in the thread. and his armor and gadgets have nothing to do with his fighting skills.
Honestly, this is a tough one for me to pick a winner. All three have beaten groups of people at once. Elektra seemed to have a bit more skill than Logan or Bruce in the movies. Wolverine had the best damage soak. Batman had the best mobility. I'll say Batman wins. He's skilled, has body armor and gadgets.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Wolverine. Just look at his friggin insane regen for crying out loud.
My point exactly. Neither Bruce nor Elektra could HOPE to survive Phoenix-Fire. Wolverine had no problem with it. There is little these guys could do to him.
Based on the skill they showed in the movies, though? Batman, hands down.
EDIT: On the topic of "Brass knuckled punches," allow me to say this, as I have posted before:
Originally posted by Soljer
As well as this little tidbit - a bat creates extra force because of the leverage behind it. He wouldn't feel like he was getting hit with a bat, he would feel like he was getting hit with a punch. Oh, and people always talk about how "Brass-knuckle"-ey the metal makes him(I even mentioned it in this thread, because I think thats the way most comics make it seem even if it isn't realistic)...what they ALSO don't realize is that the metal wouldn't add any extra force.Brass knuckles only work because of two things:
1.They lessen the surface area you punch with, and remove the skin "padding," if you got hit in the face with sheer bone, it would hurt far more than bone covered with skin, veins, etc. Wolverine still has skin over his metal, and his fist is the same surface area, if not even larger, due to the metal. The surface area of a normal pair of brass knuckles, however, is about 1/3 that of a human fist.2. Extra weight in the hand. Kind of like a fistpack. The metal CERTAINLY adds some weight to his arm, as it adds a total of one hundred pounds to his entire body, however, since he weighs two hundred pounds without it, the damage a 'normal' punch would deal would only still be about 2/3s wolverine's, as that is the difference in force.
Pain is simply messages to the brain from neurons indicating tissue damage. These neurons are fired due to pressure. Pressure is force divided by surface area. The force is the mass time the acceleration. Assuming someone is punching with the same strength (acceleration, in this case) the mass for wolverine versus a guy with brass knuckles has a multiplier of 1.5x(200 to 300, 100 pound difference). However, the surface area of the brass knuckles is one third that of wolverine's fist (or less). So that pressure is divided by one third.
Pressure(pain) for wolverine is 1.5 times the mass of his arm (m) times acceleration (a) divided by surface area (s).
P = (1.5ma)/sIf a normal person (with wolverine's strength, of course) wears brass knuckles and punches, the pressure is the mass of his arm(neglecting the added mass from the knuckles themselves, this would increase this formula even further), times acceleration, divided by one third the surface area of his fist.
P = (ma)/(1/3 * s)
or
P = (3ma)/sThe added metal in wolverine's arm certainly increases the power of his punch, but bone claws wolverine with a pair of brass knuckles would be punching more than twice as hard as Adamantium wolverine. (And this neglects the increase in acceleration the lessened mass would allow).
Eh. I rambled a bit, but this was just to get the point that I, myself, and others need to stop comparing Adamantium wolverine to brass knuckles, much less an adamantium baseball bat, considering a punch is a straight force, whereas a baseball bat increases the force you put on it due to both leverage and centrifugal force.
Originally posted by Soljer
Eh, I tried to edit, but i's been more than 15 minutes, sorry for the double post (assuming someone doesn't post while I'm typing).Anyways, I was thinking about what I had just said, and the added mass because of brass knuckles IS in fact, negligible. The extra half/quarter pound it adds is nothing in comparison to your arm(when comparing it to an arm that weighs 1.5 times as much, due to that adamantium).
HOWEVER, the added accleration that old Bone claws with brass knuckles would get, should NOT be negligible. I'm not entirely sure of the ratio, I am almost SURE it isn't a linear relationship, but consider this: when you (or someone you know/have seen) is working out on the bench press, and they are maxing out, how fast do the max? Compare that with the speed they can utilize when putting up...say...2/3s their max. MUCH faster.
The acceleration increase that mr. Bone Claws with brass knuckles would receive is quite a bit. Let us say, for simplicity, it is the same 1.5 that the mass adds (so wolverine's punches actually deal the same damage whether he is bone claws or adamantium)
Then the pressure looks like this:
P = (m *1.5*a)/(1/3 * s)
or
P = (4.5ma)/s.That would mean that Bone claws with a pair of brass knuckles would actually be punching THREE times as hard as adamantium wolverine.
Food for thought, gentlemen, food for thought.
Originally posted by Soljerwolvie didnt fight the phoenix he got her to calm her ass down.
My point exactly. Neither Bruce nor Elektra could HOPE to survive Phoenix-Fire. Wolverine had no problem with it. There is little these guys could do to him.Based on the skill they showed in the movies, though? Batman, hands down.