Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Firstly, Kyp is much more then four years older then Jacen. Second, you being "pretty sure" that Jacen has as much potential as Kyp is not as important as the fact that Star by Star is very indicative that Kyp has more potential then Jacen.
Kyp Durron was 14 years older. My mistake.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
And the Unifying Force and Betrayal make it very clear Jacen can surpass Luke
How did they do that? Jacen became extremely power for a short time in TUF. Luke could potentially do the same thing and become even more powerful then Jacen was during that time. Why do I think that? Because in Traitor Ganner, who was weaker then Jacen did the same thing as Jacen but was weaker in that state. The power of a person in that state appears to be proportional to the persons power in their normal state. Hence, Luke is still better then Jacen.
I must need to reread Betrayal. Where did it say that? Are you talking about the vision where Jacen cuts Luke down? Do you think it's possible that Luke might not have been trying to kill Jacen during that fight, but Jacen may have been trying to kill him. There aren't enough facts on that yet to make any reasonable claim one way or the other.
The future vision of Jacen KILLING Luke in a vicious duel? It's made quite clear they're both giving their all and that's dark Jacen.
Really? Luke certainly didn't seem to be giving his all when I read it. Maybe you should go reread it.
Even if Luke was fighting a dark Jacen he wouldn't go full out. He would try to redeem him. That's what Luke does.
I suggest you do, since it's Luke trying to stop Jacen from taking over the galaxy. Nothing to even hint they're not giving their alls.
And yes, Luke tries to redeem people....I'm sure Welk and Lomi Plo will be pleased to hear that...Sedriss and Ocherion, too...I'm certainly that's gonna be of great interest to Lord Shadowspawn...
If Luke had wanted, he could have instantly killed Welk and Lomi Plo with his emerald lightning. He decided not to. He gave them a chance for as long as he could.
The main thing you have to consider though is that Jacen is family. Jacen is Luke's nephew. I recall Luke freaking out when he thought Jacen was dead as he had already sent one of Leia's kids to his death. Luke's not going to do that again.
How about you go ahead and quote the part in Betrayal where the fight was, as I'm having trouble finding it. A page number or something. When you have that, tell me which words lead you to believe that Luke was giving it his all.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
[b]The future vision of Jacen KILLING Luke in a vicious duel? It's made quite clear they're both giving their all and that's dark Jacen.Really? Luke certainly didn't seem to be giving his all when I read it. Maybe you should go reread it.
Even if Luke was fighting a dark Jacen he wouldn't go full out. He would try to redeem him. That's what Luke does. [/B]
Glentract, I don't believe that Jacen can surpass Luke, but what you're using is extremely poor logic.
You can't say what Luke will do and expect it to hold any weight in the argument.
Kyp takes this with some effort. He's too strong with the Force, and too experianced.
As for who has more force potential, Luke or Jacen, it is obviously Luke. Think about this. Anakin Skywalker was CONCEIVED by the Force, which is why he has the highest Force Potential EVER (quite a bit higher than Luke OR Jacen). Luke is more closely related to Anakin Skywalker, being his son, so he would get more of his genes than Jacen would, being his grandson. Luke>Jacen in force potential.