Originally posted by Big Sexy
What throws me off is that the OB were deflected by Dianas bracelots. I understand that they can be manipulated and he should have been able to tag her anyway but if they were not able to beat that enchantment than that makes me wonder about the OE .
Originally posted by TakionWell if we're going by the rationale of an 'essential being to the universe' being unaffected by the OE, then it wouldn't hurt a Celestial. It didn't affect Galactus, but worked perfectly fine on Juggernaut, cause he's not essential.
o.k does'nt mean the OE can't kill him or transport him soomewhere else.
Originally posted by Big SexyIt was a severe moment of PIS given they weren't aimed for her and have been shown to be able to go through any object to hit its destination- which was Superman. Not to mention he could have made it go AROUND her bracelets. On the same note though, we've seen the Omega Beams stopped by a regular shovel, then in another scene, turn The Secret into a human child, and destroy pantheons of gods.
What throws me off is that the OB were deflected by Dianas bracelots. I understand that they can be manipulated and he should have been able to tag her anyway but if they were not able to beat that enchantment than that makes me wonder about the OE .
Anyways, PIS aside, full powered Darkseid layed low multiversal level characters. I'm not sure if celestials are in that type of range.
Originally posted by Lord SThat's not always the case though, he's Omega beamed and killed people that one would seem as important to universe, like an aspect of Death, gods, etc, and they go down, then at the same time-- bounces off of Superman.[Recently anyways, it always worked before though.]
Well if we're going by the rationale of an 'essential being to the universe' being unaffected by the OE, then it wouldn't hurt a Celestial. It didn't affect Galactus, but worked perfectly fine on Juggernaut, cause he's not essential.
Originally posted by UniOmniIt dropped him hard, and he had just absorbed the power of his entire universe, when Superman hit Anti-Monitor, he was weakened already.
Junny, who were the multiversal characters layed low by the OE?? Please don't say the AntiMonitor as one. Cuz it hurt it badly, but it didn't vanquish him....Some kryptonian fists did that.
Originally posted by MiderYou don't even read comics. Where are you getting any of this from?
there are alot of aspects of death in the DCU perhaps the source only needs one alive, and the gods arent exactly essential not the earth ones i think odin zues and guys like that are just who they are cause of the godwave there not essential i think
Is that the only multiversal aspect that it did any significant damage to?? Cuz these last few showings, have it shown as pretty much a potent high level laser blast. Thats all. And while its truly a shame that DC lets some of its more interesting characters be depicted so shabbily, the Superverse is key. And these are the only showings that are fresh in mosts memories. I truly blame the Animated Show for depowering Darky the way he is, since on that medium, his oe is like i said, a high level laser blast at best. Good show, but bad and watered down potency.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Is that the only multiversal aspect that it did any significant damage to?? Cuz these last few showings, have it shown as pretty much a potent high level laser blast. Thats all. And while its truly a shame that DC lets some of its more interesting characters be depicted so shabbily, the Superverse is key. And these are the only showings that are fresh in mosts memories. I truly blame the Animated Show for depowering Darky the way he is, since on that medium, his oe is like i said, a high level laser blast at best. Good show, but bad and watered down potency.
Originally posted by UniOmniIt doesn't matter what his couple of recent showings are, this is FULL POWERED Darkseid, not jobbing-to-Superman-Darkseid, see the difference?
Is that the only multiversal aspect that it did any significant damage to?? Cuz these last few showings, have it shown as pretty much a potent high level laser blast. Thats all. And while its truly a shame that DC lets some of its more interesting characters be depicted so shabbily, the Superverse is key. And these are the only showings that are fresh in mosts memories. I truly blame the Animated Show for depowering Darky the way he is, since on that medium, his oe is like i said, a high level laser blast at best. Good show, but bad and watered down potency.
He turned Secret into a human girl with OE at the very end of the Young Justice series, she was powerful enough to be training with Spectre. Considered an aspect of Death/Void/Whatever...Considered one to the highest level characters at the time. She drew Spectre/New Genesis and Apokalips into the storyline.
People are quick to try to bring in a couple of bad writing moments for Darkseid, but forget that when those moments aren't happening, he has very very very few equals.
But in this case, he's in full swing. The thread says so. So those moments are next to completely irrelivent.
At full power, he's shown he can drop The Anti-Monitor.
Or scare the full host of Lords of Order and Lords of Chaos.
Move planets with his mind.
Teleport planets around with OE.
Trap beings outside of creation.
On and on and on ..
I dunno I just take it all in stride of the Marvel forum bias.
Thanos sucker-shoots Galactus while he's talking and knocks him backwards, OMG HES ON THE LEVEL OF GALACTUS. AWESOME FEAT. Even though he lost the fight. And had no offensive against him after that point really.
Darkseid owns a depowered then repowered Anti-Monitor, who is 347239847298337 times more powerful than Galactus[not actual number, I just jammed the num-pad], and "It's not that great, Superman beat him by punching him!"
So you think he wins, or not Jun?
And i know Galactus jobs as well. Thanos doing anything at all to him(like knocking off his helmet), when he had a fight with Tyrant that lasted billions of years and destroyed countless galaxies, and managed to keep his hat (literally) is the height of pis, imo.
Starlin even had Galactus appear to be 20 feet tall, when he's been shown to be at least a few hundred feet tall on occasion is proof enough. I dislike Thanos under normal conditions, and HATE him under Starlin. His jobber aura makes no sense, since he isn't that popular outside vs forums.
Like i said before, jobber auras sentence the easily more powerful being to operate below par, while the one with the aura is on or above par. Weak, unimaginative writing at its premium.
And this forum doesn't have a Marvel bias, imo. It has its eyes open on some bs showings, from both companies. Superherochat is Marvel biased. Even though its one of my favorite forums.
Comixtreme is kinda DC slanted. KMC is smack dab in the middle.
Originally posted by UniOmniI dunno I just gave one major example, of the bias, then there's the fact Hulk had what like 150 votes at beating Superman, when he really would have no chance, stuff like that. This forum is better than others about it, but clearly has the Marvel slant.
So you think he wins, or not Jun?And i know Galactus jobs as well. Thanos doing anything at all to him(like knocking off his helmet), when he had a fight with Tyrant that lasted billions of years and destroyed countless galaxies, and managed to keep his hat (literally) is the height of pis, imo.
Starlin even had Galactus appear to be 20 feet tall, when he's been shown to be at least a few hundred feet tall on occasion is proof enough. I dislike Thanos under normal conditions, and HATE him under Starlin. His jobber aura makes no sense, since he isn't that popular outside vs forums.
Like i said before, jobber auras sentence the easily more powerful being to operate below par, while the one with the aura is on or above par. Weak, unimaginative writing at its premium.
And this forum doesn't have a Marvel bias, imo. It has its eyes open on some bs showings, from both companies. Superherochat is Marvel biased. Even though its one of my favorite forums.
Comixtreme is kinda DC slanted. KMC is smack dab in the middle.
Do I think he wins or not..? I was mostly just adding my two cents. At the height of his power, this is about as powerful as I considered him. It could honestly go either way. But he has far more feats under his belt. Part of why I didn't understand people acting like it was a curbstomp.
Originally posted by Juntai
I dunno I just take it all in stride of the Marvel forum bias.
Thanos sucker-shoots Galactus while he's talking and knocks him backwards, OMG HES ON THE LEVEL OF GALACTUS. AWESOME FEAT. Even though he lost the fight. And had no offensive against him after that point really.Darkseid owns a depowered then repowered Anti-Monitor, who is 347239847298337 times more powerful than Galactus[not actual number, I just jammed the num-pad], and "It's not that great, Superman beat him by punching him!"
Well said friend.
To top it off, even when proven correct. It has to be done all over again in the next thread.