Originally posted by Grimm22
I dont consider slashing his face to be penetrating his skin 😛
THIS wasn't penetration? 🤨
http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thing6rs.jpg
he went clear through thing's face.. that's effin penetration...
Originally posted by Grimm22
Also, Enemy of the State was PIS on Ben's part.
Originally posted by Grimm22it's amazing who I KNOW you know about jack shit about wolverie and yet you continue to impress with every post you prove you know even less then the one before...
Seriously Ben knows Wolverine's fighting style, as does Wolverine know Ben's,
dude.. wolverine doesn't have a fighting style.. he has a plethora of them... mulitudes of them, and when he really gets going no-one can predict his next move, not psychics or himself...
ben has fought with wolverine on several occasions and none of them were very long fights and NONE of them were fights in which wolverine used much skill if any at all... assuming wolverine actually started to use his fighting ability thing would be beside himself.. probably very literally as wolverine would have chopped him in half...
Originally posted by Grimm22of course you would.. anything where wolverine doesn't look like a bafoon is PIS in your opinion.. that doesn't mean much.
I would probobly agree with the outcome of this fight if Mark Millar made it more understandable then, oh he leaped and a claw went into his arm and that made Ben cripple in Pain 😐Bullcrap
Originally posted by Grimm22If the face slash hadn't penetrated the skin then Thing would not have been disfigured. Thing was disfigured, therefor the claws did penetrate the skin, by a couple of inches at least.
I dont consider slashing his face to be penetrating his skin
Originally posted by Grimm22Considering Wolverine slashed through Ben's face before this statement is false and makes no sense.
Also, Enemy of the State was PIS on Ben's part.
Originally posted by Grimm22Yeah right. Ben has fought Wolverine about three times, each fight lasting about 2 seconds. How are you going to learn anyone's fighting style in 6 seconds??? You can't.
Seriously Ben knows Wolverine's fighting style
If the Shiva program can't pin down Wolverine's fighting style (which is what it was made for) Thing hasn't got a chance of knowing Wolverine's fighting style.
Re: Re: Wolverine's claws vs. SKIN!!!!!!
Originally posted by Metalmanx
So far, Wolvie hasn't been able to cut Colosuss at all. So, I guess Colossus wins that bout.
In 616 Colossus is absolutely scared *hitless of Wolverine's claws on multiple occasions. He was scared of the claws very early in the new teams danger room missions. Colossus is still deathly afraid of Wolverine's claws during a Danger Room "tag" game with Cannon Ball. Colossus is so frightened he falls over trying to avoid Wolverine's swipe. Why be afraid of something, if it can't hurt you?
Wolverine can cut through the strongest metals in the Marvel universe like they are paper, like the time he cut a giant hole through foot thick omnium steel with no resistance. Colossus is organic steel. We dont know exactly where that ranges on the steel scale, but simple metal javelins have been shoved through him by Deathbird.
In the Exiles book Mimic employs Colossus' organic steel and Wolverine cuts through it with no problem. Mimic has to use Wolverine's healing factor to keep from dying.
In the Ultimate Universe in a Danger Room sequence Wolverine cuts Colossus easily. I dont think he would have made the comments he made, unless the Danger Room was supposed to simulate Colossus' powers accurately, otherwise he's just having a pointless fantasy conversation for no reason.
Emma Frost was watching the scrap between Colossus and Wolverine in the Danger Room and she clearly thinks Wolverine would kill Colossus if he wanted to, hinting that Wolverine should be able to cut Colossus. Considering Emma seems to be on a level with Xavier in Ultimate she should have an excellent idea about Colossus' durability versus Wolverine's cutting ability.
There was also a large shower of sparks when Wolverine hits Colossus, effectively hiding what the slash did to Colossus. Yet the presense of sparks indicates something was cut or damaged. We know adamantium wont be damaged by cutting anything, so it seems it would have to be Colossus that was damaged.
Colossus asks Wolverine to cut him. Why would he ask Wolverine to cut him if Wolverine couldn't do it?
Wolverine says to Colossus that his claws will go straight through Colossus, just like he was a giant voodoo doll. Why would Wolverine say that if it wasn't true.
Wolverine's claws are said to be able to cut anything, based on the amount of strength he can put into the blow. Nowhere in that sentence does it say Wolverine isn't strong enough to cut anything. It said the amount of penetration depends on how much leverage and strength Wolverine can apply. A weak blow can cut through steel easily, but would barely scratch someone of superhuman durability. A standing thrust will impale Thing, but not completely penetrate the Hulk. A full strength leaping slash should cut anything.
Only thing Wolverine shouldn't cut through is certain magic protection (Juggs) and forcefields.
Re: Re: Re: Wolverine's claws vs. SKIN!!!!!!
Originally posted by riceroost
Wolverine cut 616 Colossus in Uncanny Annual # 6.
"Organic Steel is super strong, but no match for pure adamantium"
-Straight from the mouth of Claremont himself.In 616 Colossus is absolutely scared *hitless of Wolverine's claws on multiple occasions. He was scared of the claws very early in the new teams danger room missions. Colossus is still deathly afraid of Wolverine's claws during a Danger Room "tag" game with Cannon Ball. Colossus is so frightened he falls over trying to avoid Wolverine's swipe. Why be afraid of something, if it can't hurt you?
Wolverine can cut through the strongest metals in the Marvel universe like they are paper, like the time he cut a giant hole through foot thick omnium steel with no resistance. Colossus is organic steel. We dont know exactly where that ranges on the steel scale, but simple metal javelins have been shoved through him by Deathbird.
In the Exiles book Mimic employs Colossus' organic steel and Wolverine cuts through it with no problem. Mimic has to use Wolverine's healing factor to keep from dying.
In the Ultimate Universe in a Danger Room sequence Wolverine cuts Colossus easily. I dont think he would have made the comments he made, unless the Danger Room was supposed to simulate Colossus' powers accurately, otherwise he's just having a pointless fantasy conversation for no reason.
Emma Frost was watching the scrap between Colossus and Wolverine in the Danger Room and she clearly thinks Wolverine would kill Colossus if he wanted to, hinting that Wolverine should be able to cut Colossus. Considering Emma seems to be on a level with Xavier in Ultimate she should have an excellent idea about Colossus' durability versus Wolverine's cutting ability.
There was also a large shower of sparks when Wolverine hits Colossus, effectively hiding what the slash did to Colossus. Yet the presense of sparks indicates something was cut or damaged. We know adamantium wont be damaged by cutting anything, so it seems it would have to be Colossus that was damaged.
Colossus asks Wolverine to cut him. Why would he ask Wolverine to cut him if Wolverine couldn't do it?
Wolverine says to Colossus that his claws will go straight through Colossus, just like he was a giant voodoo doll. Why would Wolverine say that if it wasn't true.
Wolverine's claws are said to be able to cut anything, based on the amount of strength he can put into the blow. Nowhere in that sentence does it say Wolverine isn't strong enough to cut anything. It said the amount of penetration depends on how much leverage and strength Wolverine can apply. A weak blow can cut through steel easily, but would barely scratch someone of superhuman durability. A standing thrust will impale Thing, but not completely penetrate the Hulk. A full strength leaping slash should cut anything.
Only thing Wolverine shouldn't cut through is certain magic protection (Juggs) and forcefields.
Wolveine cut an illusion of Colossus. The danger room simulation was just ahard light contruct. Even Xavier didn't know the limits of Colossus durability Hell Weapon X was still trying to figure it out.
The danger room clearly isnt an accurate example of the characters cpaabilities cause Cyclops kicked Logan's but easliy in the two fights they had after.
Originally posted by riceroost
Yeah right. Ben has fought Wolverine about three times, each fight lasting about 2 seconds. How are you going to learn anyone's fighting style in 6 seconds??? You can't.If the Shiva program can't pin down Wolverine's fighting style (which is what it was made for) Thing hasn't got a chance of knowing Wolverine's fighting style.
Re: Re: Re: Wolverine's claws vs. SKIN!!!!!!
Originally posted by riceroost
Wolverine cut 616 Colossus in Uncanny Annual # 6.
"Organic Steel is super strong, but no match for pure adamantium"
-Straight from the mouth of Claremont himself.In 616 Colossus is absolutely scared *hitless of Wolverine's claws on multiple occasions. He was scared of the claws very early in the new teams danger room missions. Colossus is still deathly afraid of Wolverine's claws during a Danger Room "tag" game with Cannon Ball. Colossus is so frightened he falls over trying to avoid Wolverine's swipe. Why be afraid of something, if it can't hurt you?
Wolverine can cut through the strongest metals in the Marvel universe like they are paper, like the time he cut a giant hole through foot thick omnium steel with no resistance. Colossus is organic steel. We dont know exactly where that ranges on the steel scale, but simple metal javelins have been shoved through him by Deathbird.
In the Exiles book Mimic employs Colossus' organic steel and Wolverine cuts through it with no problem. Mimic has to use Wolverine's healing factor to keep from dying.
In the Ultimate Universe in a Danger Room sequence Wolverine cuts Colossus easily. I dont think he would have made the comments he made, unless the Danger Room was supposed to simulate Colossus' powers accurately, otherwise he's just having a pointless fantasy conversation for no reason.
Emma Frost was watching the scrap between Colossus and Wolverine in the Danger Room and she clearly thinks Wolverine would kill Colossus if he wanted to, hinting that Wolverine should be able to cut Colossus. Considering Emma seems to be on a level with Xavier in Ultimate she should have an excellent idea about Colossus' durability versus Wolverine's cutting ability.
There was also a large shower of sparks when Wolverine hits Colossus, effectively hiding what the slash did to Colossus. Yet the presense of sparks indicates something was cut or damaged. We know adamantium wont be damaged by cutting anything, so it seems it would have to be Colossus that was damaged.
Colossus asks Wolverine to cut him. Why would he ask Wolverine to cut him if Wolverine couldn't do it?
Wolverine says to Colossus that his claws will go straight through Colossus, just like he was a giant voodoo doll. Why would Wolverine say that if it wasn't true.
Wolverine's claws are said to be able to cut anything, based on the amount of strength he can put into the blow. Nowhere in that sentence does it say Wolverine isn't strong enough to cut anything. It said the amount of penetration depends on how much leverage and strength Wolverine can apply. A weak blow can cut through steel easily, but would barely scratch someone of superhuman durability. A standing thrust will impale Thing, but not completely penetrate the Hulk. A full strength leaping slash should cut anything.
Only thing Wolverine shouldn't cut through is certain magic protection (Juggs) and forcefields.
Wow. Alright then. My turn.
To start off, I have the entire Ultimate X-men series, so I wouldn't try that. The "Danger Room" sequence you speak of all took place inside Wolverine's mind. That's why he was able to easily take out Jean, Cyclops, Beast, Storm, Iceman, and Colossus at the same time. It was all an illusion, and not even an accurate one. First of all, both Iceman and Storm just charged right into Wolverine and his claws, instead of well, using their powers. Anyway, my point is, that evidence is null and void. If you had actually read the issue, you would know that it holds no truth.
Second. That other Danger Room sequnce with Emma Frost watching over also doesn't prove your point. Colosuss was mad. He wanted a real fight, with real damage involved. Perhaps he figured Wolverine could cut him. He apparently figured wrong. Yea, Wolvie can create sparks of Colossus's skin, which does imply a VERY SLIGHT, MEANINGLESS amount of damage on C's part. But throughout all the comics, Wolverine has never been able to actually PIERCE Colossus.
And why is Emma on Xavier's level now? Anyway, according to everyone else on this forum, using the Ultimate Universe is evidence is "against the 'rules'", since it's a different Universe and all.
Tell me more about this Uncanny Annual #6. I would love to hear exactly how Wolverine managed to "cut" Colossus. Were there just sparks again? That seems to be all that Wolvie can create when trying to attack Colossus. I'd like to know exactly what and how it happened.
Yea, 616 Colossus is scared of Wolvie's claws. Why? Hell if I know. Every, EVERY, single showing between the two has proved Wolvie's claws futile against Colossus's skin. After the first couple of times, I wouldn't be as worried anymore if I were Piotr. Call me crazy, but sparks really wouldn't scare me if that all that those adamantium claws could do to me. But hey, I don't write the comics.
And yes. Strength plays a big part in what Wolverine is able to cut. Why do you think he hasn't been able to pierce Colossus's skin? C's skin is far too dense and Wolverine is not strong enough to pierce it. Sure, strength isn't always necessary, but there are definitely times when it is the most necessary aspect.
If I were to give you a titanium, diamon-hard blade, laser-sharpened and all that, and placed you in front of a 24-inch-thick (about the depth of Colossus's torso) slab of...I dunno...plexiglass even...With all of your strength, you would not be able to do any real piercing. Sure, you could probably carve a bit, but no real damage would be done. Now, replace that plexiglass with a 24"x 24" 24" slab of solid steel. Yea. You're not going anywhere with that. Even with a much harder, sharper weapon. It's just far too dense. And that is the same problem Wolverine has as well. If he had the strength of say...Spider-Man, then yes. Yes he would be able to peirce Colossus. Rather easily probably. But, since he does not, he cannot.
Originally posted by jinzin
THIS wasn't penetration? 🤨http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thing6rs.jpg
he went clear through thing's face.. that's effin penetration...
oh really?
it's amazing who I KNOW you know about jack shit about wolverie and yet you continue to impress with every post you prove you know even less then the one before...
dude.. wolverine doesn't have a fighting style.. he has a plethora of them... mulitudes of them, and when he really gets going no-one can predict his next move, not psychics or himself...
ben has fought with wolverine on several occasions and none of them were very long fights and NONE of them were fights in which wolverine used much skill if any at all... assuming wolverine actually started to use his fighting ability thing would be beside himself.. probably very literally as wolverine would have chopped him in half...
of course you would.. anything where wolverine doesn't look like a bafoon is PIS in your opinion.. that doesn't mean much.
Oh course you forget the mention the many times that Ben has beaten Wolverine. 🙄
Oh and if I know "jack shi*" about wolverine then you must know "jack shi*" about the Thing, bub 😉
Originally posted by Big Sexy
When did ben beat wolverine. Aren't most of their fights inconclusive just like the Fantastic four vs New Fantastic four issue.
Pretty much 😬
Still there are just as many scenes where Ben has beaten Wolverine than Wolverine has beaten Ben. 😉
Oh course I doubt that any wolverine fan will admit that. 🙄
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Ben would not go down by one stab. And before fanboys say anything about nerve strike, I SERIOUSLY doubt that Ben has similar nerves then other humans. 🤨
agreed ✅
I mean dont get me wrong, Wolverine can beat Ben, same as Ben can beat Wolverine.
But when we get PIS fights like oh he got stabbed in the arm so he's just going to sit there and cry out in pain. Bullcrap, thats completely out of character for Ben.
I mean even when Wolverine scratched his face he didnt just sit there and cry, he smacked Wolverine's ass into next week.
